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If you enjoy watches and want to look into repairing them then id say go for the pocket watch route. There are many reasons why i say this and they are as follows :) 1) Pocket movements in general are quite cheap to pick up, flea bay etc 2) They are larger versions of their smaller cousins so most principles that apply to pocket watches apply to almost all wristwatches 3) Being larger the movements are easier to work on with stronger parts ( so you're little less likely to break them ), plus if you drop parts on the floor ( which you WILL ) , they are a lot easier to find :) 4) Working on watch balances is no easy task so learning how they function and being able to repair or adjust them is slightly easier when they are pocket watch size. 5) Keyless works, this is a good area to learn the different types as Waltham and Omega for example are very different and same differences can be found in their wristwatch counter parts. 6) Learning repairs on a £5 pocket watch movement is far less soul destroying than starting out on a £50 wristwatch movement and giving up too early :( There are many other reasons i could give but its just my 2 cents, hopefully whatever you choose you will enjoy and do well in :)

To buy absolute genuine then I would avoid eBay use a recognised supplier. The oyster case opener for Rolex I purchased & it did not work it slipped under pressure. Purchased the Horotec case opener with the appropriate die & no problems.

:) We should change Geo's name to GeoBergeon.

Just uploaded a new video. this one concentrating on correcting beat error.

ofrei ? Bergeon used to have a website where you could buy stuff, haven't searched in a while... Edit : found it : https://shop.bergeon.ch/?langue=2 Also, amazon might have some tools, never tried.

I use Moebius oil and grease . And i almost think that is a standard . Moebius 8200 or 8300 grease and 9010 oil

Block paved all of my garden in the UK with a nice pond raised beds for the veg & flowers in pots sorted.

Thanks for that Bob

Yes, my father it's a watchmaker for almost 20 years and his dont care much about the tools quality as i, so we know all the sellers here in my region, they ALL sell only #$%@# stuffs from china. I never bought Tools from Ebay, becose of this i asked, i'll try to search this section on fórum. Thank you, Bob

@ Icarus, Have you tried local suppliers near your place?...or even directly from UK or USA? We have a section here where you can find suppliers from all over, make sure you check them out for convenience! @ Affnan, Good move, Affnan, you will notice the difference and will enjoy your work more! Cheers, Bob

Maybe this place can supply? www.scotchwatch.com/BFG410-435.html Baumhartner parts.

Really interesting topic, i was aiming to change my cheap tools into a Bergeon tools. So, where/how can i buy Bergeon tools with safety about the authenticity? Check that screen I'm a 99% sure, that isn't an original. Do you follow any particular seller on Ebay?

That's true, my neighbor Ron can never be found when I do the lawn, especially when I skip some weeks! :) Just can't resist! Lawn and mowers have never been too high in my to do list...unless the wife pushes for it...then, I have to scramble! :)

I would like to give a big THANKYOU to GEO for making me this lovely bow for my recently acquired jacot tool Also thanks to Marc for the heads up. This really is the best watch forum on the planet :thumbsu: Made to fit the case.. What a Gent, Thankyou once again! :bow:

Geo - you are the man!!!

I haven't used mine yet or I would post some pics for you. Im sure Marc used one in a video maybe somebody else could clarify? It is a tool thats warrants a video on its own.

I think that will do it rogart, good thinking! Cheers, Bob

I don't now how you do but i use a little bowl in the UL-bath . It's from stainless steel and it work great . I have tried plastic bowl but that took away the ultrasonic waves . And there isn't so much cleaning fluid i have to waste every time i clean . I can't see why you shouldn't be able to clean the plate and use it . As long as the jewels are clean . And i can give you a tips .Put it in baking soda . A cup of warm water and a teaspoon of baking soda .

Chadder what cleaning machine do you use. The reason I ask is I did have similar issue when I used to use an ultrasonic cleaner & I had the heat far to high. Also I had cleaned some really dirty clock parts previous & I think the combination of the high heat & contaminated cleaner stained the watch plate. I changed the cleaning solution & the problem never re-appeared.

Hi chadders, I've never encountered this problem but I would venture that the metal has been stained somehow (chemical reaction?) or is actually showing (or almost showing) the base metal of the plate. I can't tell without observing the actual plate in person. Have you tried to rub it with Rodico? Any difference? If at this point the surface is smooth and without any particulates that might endanger the working of the watch, I would simply try and live with the problem...other than that, I don't know what to tell. Just a thought, Cheers, Bob PS. Check for magnetism too, just in case.

I gather that this was the side "down" in the ultrasonic?, if so your cleaning fluid is either incorrect or contaminated?.

Even the purple heat shrink matches the case lining! :)