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Custom made boxes for my watch crystals. Not 100% perfect, but it was my first try and apart from the base plywood it is made out of pallet wood again. 

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Some "new" devices on display. After a small watchmaker library now I also have a tiny watchmaker museum.

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Venus 206, super rare.

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Ingersoll Ladies 17 jewels EB 1612 N. Unfortunately I had to practice the HS bending / unbending thingy as I made a mistake during balance re-assembly. Thank you for @AndyHull for advise. I am learning how to use timing machine now. This world gets more and more exciting as you go.

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Another Timex M21 Hopalong Cassidy. Learnt a lot from it, took it apart many times. Cleaned by machine and hand several times. Before and after pics. Sacrificed on the altar of Time and Knowledge: 1x hairspring (followed by 2 days cooling down period), 2x pallet forks. Original strap from someone who bought it as a boy at the end of the 50s for Christmas. " Good Luck from Hoppy " UK Time Dundee 

Managed to correct the beat error more or less, managed to manipulate the hairspring so it would have a good shape all around. Managed to stab the original HS with my pair of tweezers. Managed to ruin a pallet fork by trying to clean it with fibre pen not being careful, managed to ruin another one just by pushing it into rodico, rodico pulled out one pin could not put it back properly, it was just too lose. Managed to clean the HS about 10 times.

There are no shortcuts in watchmaking, i read it somewhere on youtube right after I came to realize that on my own during my 2 days cooling down period while i was meditating. 

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This video is interesting because it shows that the hairspring collet stays in the middle when I move the regulator arm as it should. Probably a trained eye would raise the eyebrow seeing it though. As the collet does not move a bit even when you can see that the HS was a bit pushed. The reason why it stayed in the middle was that it was glued to the middle by some oil coming out from the famous timex cup. When I moved the whole balance in and out again and again some of the oil got to the top of the cup with the help of the balance pivot and the clear oil was not visible on the shiny surface of the oil cup. When I realized this I cleaned the cup and the HS again and i saw that the shape of the HS was still not ok. I corrected it but unfortunately I have not made another video with the correct shape and the collet really staying in the middle:

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A while back a bought a lot of watches including an ingersoll 17 jewels with a ronda 1217-21 movement. Originally i did not want to touch it because I thought it is beyond to be repairable. Some acidic fluid went in and damaged parts and the dial. The damage was quite severe on certain parts, but the pivots and most of the wheel teeth and other important parts including the complete balance were ok. Only one of the balance end stone spring were damaged very badly, this acidic stuff has eaten away one part of it. Anyway this watch was full with opportunity for cleaning exercise and just for the experience I removed the dial paint with fibre glass pen and repainted it with automotive mat paint:

The 2nd from the left:

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Result: just ok performance, just ok dial, ugly case (opportunity for practicing plating). So just an ok watch but so far one of my greatest achievement in watchmaking. I have to take it apart because the acrylic glass has attracted some dust particles which are inside, I noticed.

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ohh actualy it was easy because we got another watchmaker in the family who helped me with the cleaning ?: 

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I bought a set of watchmaker oil cups, but my favorite (because it has a small hole holding the amount of oil i want it to hold) Made in Japan had no cover, so I decided to make one for it. Of course it is pallet wood. ? This is probably my third thing I ever made on a lathe. Now I have officially joined my dad and granddad who both were excellent wood turners. ? (i should have learnt from them)

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I assume that this is made after Aaron Lufkin Dennison time. I consider this as treasure. ?

Case Opener (i should have cleaned it first I see ? ):

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Hi  @luiazazrambo

Thank you for your infos and videos about Kienzle 606h.

Let me ask a question:

Is the 606h movement the same as the 606e?

I mean could I use a 606h for my clock instead of a 606e?

From your images and videos I can see that the spring is in a good shape.

I made screenshots with that piece high-lightened.

My one is broken as you can see in my second image. The other part in the image 

should have something to do with the "inertia", a german watch maker told me...

If 606h is working for my clock, I will look for it on ebay...

Thanks and greetings

Michael

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On 6/19/2021 at 12:00 PM, MiD said:

Hi  @luiazazrambo

Thank you for your infos and videos about Kienzle 606h.

Let me ask a question:

Is the 606h movement the same as the 606e?

I mean could I use a 606h for my clock instead of a 606e?

From your images and videos I can see that the spring is in a good shape.

I made screenshots with that piece high-lightened.

My one is broken as you can see in my second image. The other part in the image 

should have something to do with the "inertia", a german watch maker told me...

If 606h is working for my clock, I will look for it on ebay...

Thanks and greetings

Michael

 

 

Hi Michael,

This was my first 606 movement and later I destroyed another one and never touched any more since, so I must say that I don't have considerable experience with them. I do remember though that I found something on the Internet about the kienzle 606 movements and their letters printed on the top plate my 606b has he printed on it. Unfortunately I am unable to find it now even though I made several attempts yesterday and today. Should you asked this question ¬60 years ago Southern Watch and Clock Supplies ltd had spare parts:

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My advice is to pick up one of these clocks with 606 movements from the well known auction sites or car boot sales for a few pounds. (or the equivalent amount in a different currency)

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Lui

 

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I like the clock book and would almost certainly have picked that up, but the galvanometer is the star of the show.
Well worth three quid. I would be tempted to try to cut and drill a new front glass for it.

With a little polishing of the brass and some light refinishing of the wood it will look superb.

A little history of  Nalder Brothers and Co. Electrical instrument makers

of Red Lion Street, London. (ca. 1898) here->  https://gracesguide.co.uk/Nalder_Brothers_and_Co

 

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They could be a member of the 404 club.

They would be welcome to join. 😛

 

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So i have a piece of history what is about 100 years old? And they were in Clerkenwell, while Southern Watch & Clock Supplies Ltd had a branch on Clerkenwell road. 🙂 Watch and clockmaking is an infinite source of amusement and happiness and the more time you spend with it the more hooked you get. Thank you for the invitation to the club, i was thinking about a 404 club T-shirt this afternoon. 🙂 

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It is a bit off topic but i also picked up a chess set, hoping that my 6 years old would be interested in it and a set of swiss needle files,  another 3£ from the same seller. Spent £6 total for the galvanometer, book, chess set and needle set. 

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