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My step grandson has just inherited this Emro 23 jewel, shockproof, waterproof, antimagnetic, swiss made watch.

It has a gain in time of 9 minutes in every 26 hours.

Being a clock person rather than a watch person, can you help, is there a "slow-Fast" adjustment inside the case?

An idea of the age of the watch, as I can find very little via Google, except that it may be 60's-70's.

 

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The markings on the back are the same as the dial, plus it's been "Diamond tooled, electronically tested, and Tropicalized"

Now what is "Tropicalized"?

Disregard the strap, that has been only recently fitted, I don't know what it had before.

Any information will be gratefully received by the grandson.

Thanks

Bod.

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1 hour ago, Len33 said:

The first thing to try, is to demagnetise the watch.

How would I go about doing this?

I have an Eclipse 955 demagnetiser, just a case of passing the watch over it a couple of times, or will it need dismantling?

Thanks

Bod.

Posted

No need to dismantle.

Pass the watch, side to side, over the demagnetiser for about ten seconds.

Then, slowly distance the watch from the demagnetiser to about one metre distance.........before switching the demagnetiser off.

If necessary, try again. 

Good luck.

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Having done as Len suggests if no better,   remove the back and post a photo of it also  the movement maker and caliber number, Usually found under the balance wheel or close by.

Posted

Still gaining.

I've removed the back.

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To my eye, there is nothing special to see.

No serial numbers, only "Swiss 23 jewels"

There is a +/- for the hair spring, which I have moved slightly to the -, but too far and the lever interferes with a wheel.

The inside is clean, no rust or dust.

I've retried the demagnetiser, now I just wait to see if any thing changes.

Value wise, I don't think this should be put on the house insurance as a valuable item.  Unless you know different...

Thanks

Bod.

Posted

Hi Bod   If its no better have a close look at the hairspring ,   are the coins sticking together during oscillation, is the spring flat and not catching the bridge, is the spring hanging up in the the reculator ( no moving between the pins) all these will affect the timing .

Posted

Move the regulator arm all the way back towards the stud, see if it runs slow, you can regulate.

Just running accurate doesn't mean the movement needs not be cleaned &relubed.

Posted

As demagnetising didn't provide a cure, the hair spring would be the area to concentrate on, first.

As it was 'inherited,' it's possible that, in the past, someone had oiled it and a tiny drop of oil has found its way onto the hair spring......causing a coil stick.

(Something that could be easily overlooked)

If you are sure that everything is ok there, then (If mine) I would take the watch apart; clean/lubricate it. 

Posted

I've been adjusting the regulator arm, this has now got the watch running less than 4 minutes slow over 24 hours, and is as good as it's going to get, with out a full clean and service. (which is way beyond  my eyesight!)

I do fear despite it being "shock proof" a knock will upset the time keeping.  But at least we know what to do.

Many thanks to all who have replied, you have been a great help.

 

Bod.

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    • Good stuff, thanks!!!  I'm going to save it and re-read your post and watch the video again.  I have a few follow-up question:  My understanding is that the spring vibrates or breathes between the the two regulator pins. When the pins are fully open the effective spring length is from the stud and theoretically no rate adjustment can be made by moving the regulator arm. As the pins are closed the spring gets closer to one side of the regulator block but doesn't touch a pin. You can still move the regulator carrier the entire terminal curve without upsetting the coils.  The rate can now be adjusted using the regulator because the effective spring length can be modified.  My question is: Does the hairspring bounce off and touch one of the pins as it breathes? Is that why the effective hairspring length is adjusted by moving the regulator?  And follow-up: How is amplitude affected by the spring between the pins? Does fully open pins, dial up position = max amplitude?  When spring adjusted to 1/2 width still = max amplitude? When I have crown down gravity is pulling the spring against one of the pins and I would expect rate to go up and amplitude to go down. Is that correct?
    • A quick Google for Longines 25.17 found several similar watches - like this one with writing on the case back similar to yours https://benjaminmarcello.nl/product/longines-cal-25-17-tank-from-1938/
    • Apps like Watch Accuracy Meter can be inaccurate, and will read some watches better than others.  What daily rate does Watch Accuracy Meter give you if you check the Longines once it’s been running for 24 hours? Best Regards, Mark
    • Then, can I replace it by purchasing a regular ruby with the same or similar width and height and pivot groove size from eBay? If I replace it like the above and operate the movement, will there be no problem?
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