Need help with my first watch to repair

[Lotus]

As mentioned I the title, I recently acquired my first project watch, a 1980s Timex Red Dot Skindiver (I think that's what it's called) with a Timex M25 manual movement. The only problem is that I cannot get it out of the case! The case seems to be blocking the movement from getting out in the back, so I believe the only way to get it out is to remove the crystal and coax it out through the front of the case. I don't care about preserving the crystal, as it is too far gone for me to repair, so I am wondering if I need to get a crystal remover or if I can remove the crystal with other tools without hurting the dial. Or perhaps I am being blind and there is merely a screw that needs to be loosened? 

Any help would be appreciated, thank you!

[grsnovi]

Please read through this thread. The movement does come out the front.

[HLPayne]

Hello Lotus,  Welcome to the WRT forum.  I'm not very familiar with vintage Timex watches however I found this YT video that may help you with that model.  I'm sure there are many others who will chime in to help you if this video doesn't answer your questions.   Best of luck to you on your journey into this hobby.

 

[JerseyMo]

Red Dot Diver is a nickname and this is actually a Marlin.  Based on the hands I'd say it was second generation and from 1984.  Yes, you will need to lift the bezel and the crystal to remove the movement.  I don't see anything wrong with the crystal that a good buff and polish won't fix.  What is wrong with the movement?   BTW - you know one diver leads to another...like this    The diver upper right was the latest addition.

[Lotus]

19 hours ago, JerseyMo said:

What is wrong with the movement? 

I think something might be wrong with the keyless works or motion works, sometimes the hour hand will not turn with the minute hand when setting the time and I cannot change the date at all. Other than that, the train wheels and balance are all fine and working properly.

Also, thank you so much for the advice!

 

Edited July 7, 2022 by Lotus

[JerseyMo]

5 hours ago, Lotus said:

I think something might be wrong with the keyless works or motion works, sometimes the hour hand will not turn with the minute hand when setting the time and I cannot change the date at all. Other than that, the train wheels and balance are all fine and working properly.

Also, thank you so much for the advice!

 

I'll take a guess and say that something broke off on the date frame.  This is causing the issue.

[kd8tzc]

@Lotus, I know this is an older thread, but just curious if you got this watch working again and what you had to do to do so?

[Lotus]

On 3/10/2023 at 7:15 AM, kd8tzc said:

@Lotus, I know this is an older thread, but just curious if you got this watch working again and what you had to do to do so?

No, unfortunately not yet. I'm still slowly working my way to a timex movement.  I think I'll be able to work with it soon, though, because I just finished my first full service of a simple Raketa watch. I know the timex movement is much harder to work on, but I hope to see to it someday! 

[Anubis61]

On 6/7/2022 at 03:51, Lotus said:

Come accennato nel titolo, ho recentemente acquistato il mio primo orologio da progetto, un Timex Red Dot Skindiver degli anni '80 (penso sia così che si chiami) con un movimento manuale Timex M25. L'unico problema è che non riesco a toglierlo dalla custodia! La cassa sembra impedire al movimento di uscire nella parte posteriore, quindi credo che l'unico modo per farlo uscire sia rimuovere il cristallo e convincerlo a uscire dalla parte anteriore della cassa. Non mi interessa preservare il cristallo, poiché è troppo lontano per essere riparato, quindi mi chiedo se devo procurarmi un dispositivo di rimozione del cristallo o se posso rimuovere il cristallo con altri strumenti senza danneggiare il quadrante. O forse sono cieco e c'è solo una vite che deve essere allentata? 

Qualsiasi aiuto sarebbe apprezzato, grazie!

A mio modestissimo parere, devi prima estrarre la Tige, e poi si libera il movimento, dalle foto non capisco se ci sono delle viti che lo bloccano, ma sicuramente se prima non estrai la tige, non esce, fidati.

 

[JerseyMo]

3 hours ago, Anubis61 said:

A mio modestissimo parere, devi prima estrarre la Tige, e poi si libera il movimento, dalle foto non capisco se ci sono delle viti che lo bloccano, ma sicuramente se prima non estrai la tige, non esce, fidati.

 

 

Il movimento esce dalla parte anteriore della cassa dell'orologio. Quindi il cristallo deve essere sollevato. Google Traduttore

[kd8tzc]

@Lotus... I know what you mean about a harder movement to work on.  I had an older M25 just lying around that I just decided to take apart the other day.  It wasn't working to start with so I figured I had nothing to lose, and who knows, maybe it will work when I'm done with it (not!).

What I found was that getting all the gears lined up was a huge pain.  I started just adding them one at a time and then getting the two plates to go together with just that one gear.  Once I could do that, I added a second gear, and worked on that.  I found that I had to so some very gentle manipulation of the gears with their stems to get them lined up, but it was a great experience.  The only thing I have not been able to do yet is add the pallet fork.  If anyone has any tricks to get that to stay in place when you add the escape wheel I would appreciate it.

[Anubis61]

On 24/3/2023 at 17:29, Anubis61 said:

A mio modestissimo parere, devi prima estrarre la Tige, e poi si libera il movimento, dalle foto non capisco se ci sono delle viti che lo bloccano, ma sicuramente se prima non estrai la tige, non esce, fidati.

 

 

On 24/3/2023 at 21:14, JerseyMo said:

 

Il movimento esce dalla parte anteriore della cassa dell'orologio. Quindi il cristallo deve essere sollevato. Google Traduttore

Per quel poco che ho potuto vedere nella foto postata con fondello aperto, secondo me la tige va estratta.....

[JerseyMo]

On 3/26/2023 at 8:16 AM, Anubis61 said:

 

Per quel poco che ho potuto vedere nella foto postata con fondello aperto, secondo me la tige va estratta.....

si, togli lo stelo. Il prossimo è sollevare il cristallo.

[LittleWatchShop]

On 7/6/2022 at 1:36 PM, JerseyMo said:

Red Dot Diver is a nickname and this is actually a Marlin.  Based on the hands I'd say it was second generation and from 1984.  Yes, you will need to lift the bezel and the crystal to remove the movement.  I don't see anything wrong with the crystal that a good buff and polish won't fix.  What is wrong with the movement?   BTW - you know one diver leads to another...like this    The diver upper right was the latest addition.

Oh my, those look really nice!! Do you wear them all at once?

[JerseyMo]

9 hours ago, LittleWatchShop said:

Oh my, those look really nice!! Do you wear them all at once?

only on weekends!