Seiko 7009a lubrication alternatives

[lexacat]

So I'm at the point where I'll hopefully be putting together all the clean parts of a Seiko 7009a movement. There's the famous service manual online that provides a lot of great information about reassembly and lubrication, but unfortunately the lubricants listed are ones I do not have access to. Namely: 

• Moebius A
• SEIKO Watch Oil S-4
• SEIKO Watch Oil S-6

I have the following alternative lubricants:

• Microsgliss D5
• Molykote DX
• Moebius 8200
• Moebius 8217
• Moebius 9415
• Moebius 9010

I've numbered all the lubrication points in the service manual (hopefully I've not missed any). I've read a lot of forums and watched a lot of videos on the subject, but it seems like there are a million ways to skin this cat. Below are the numbered lubrication points from the service manual (in red) along with the Seiko recommended product and my plan for alternatives. Let me know if I've made a mistake or if there's anything I've missed.

1. Date Jumper
   Manual: Seiko S-6 - Normal Quantity
2. Setting Lever
   Manual: Seiko S-6 - Normal Quantity
   Molykote DX
3. Yoke
   Manual: Seiko S-6 - Normal Quantity
   Molykote DX
4. Diashock Jewel
   Manual: Moebius A - Normal Quantity
   Moebius 9010
5. Cannon Pinion
   Manual: Seiko S-6 - Normal Quantity
   Molykote DX
6. Winding Stem
   Manual: Seiko S-6 - Normal Quantity
   Molykote DX
7. Day Corrector seat 
   Manual: Seiko S-6 - Normal Quantity
8. Intermediate Date Wheel post
   Manual: Seiko S-6 - Normal Quantity
9. Date Driving Wheel post
   Manual: Seiko S-6 - Normal Quantity
10. Minute Wheel post
    Manual: Seiko S-6 - Normal Quantity

 

1. Oscillating Weight bearing
   Manual: Moebius A - Normal Quantity
   Moebius 9010
2. Barrel and train-wheel bridge pivot jewels
   Manual: Moebius A - Normal Quantity
   Moebius 9010
3. Second Reduction Wheel post 
   Manual: Seiko S-4 - Normal Quantity
4. Fourth Wheel top 
   Manual: Moebius A - Normal Quantity
   Moebius 9010
5. Fourth Wheel bottom 
   Manual: Moebius A - Extremeley Small
   Moebius 9010
6. Balance wheel diashock jewel
   Manual: Moebius A - Extremeley Small
   Moebius 9010
7. Barrel Arbor top
   Manual: Seiko S-6 - Normal Quantity
8. Pallet Cock pivot jewel
   Manual: Moebius A - Extremeley Small
   Recommended not to lubricate
9. Center Wheel pivot
    Manual: Seiko S-6 - Normal Quantity
10. Pallet Stones
    Manual: Moebius A - Normal Quantity
    Moebius 9415 or 9010?
11. Third wheel pivot jewel
    Manual: Seiko S-6 - Normal Quantity
12. Center Wheel pivot jewel
    Manual: Seiko S-6 - Normal Quantity
13. Barrel Arbor seat
    Manual: Seiko S-6 - Normal Quantity
14. Pallet Fork bottom pinion jewel
    Manual: Moebius A - Extremeley Small
    Recommended not to lubricate
15. Escape Wheel bottom pinion jewel
    Manual: Moebius A - Normal Quantity
    Moebius 9010
16. First Reduction Wheel bottom pinion
    Manual: Seiko S-6 - Normal Quantity

In regards to the barrel and mainspring, I was planning on 8217 for the barrel walls and an extremely light coating of 8200 for the mainspring itself.

 

As you can see there are loads of points that I'm missing info on, and frankly I think I'm just confusing myself even more by reading more information. I've checked a Moebius lubrication guide, this forum, other forums, etc.

Any help filling in the blanks would be greatly appreciated.

[JohnR725]

50 minutes ago, lexacat said:

Moebius A

This is an abbreviation of the real name. The first part tells you who made the oil the letter a refers to a specific type of oil that went with the name of Synt-A-Lube. If you look at the website you also find they have numbers and this is known as 9010 which I believe you said you already have.

 

https://www.moebius-lubricants.ch/en/products/oils

 

[lexacat]

Thanks @JohnR725

So ostensibly I could just replace Moebius A everywhere it's used with 9010?

With regards to the pallet stones, those should be 9010 also or 9415?

With the S-4 and S-6, what would be the best equivalents?

I'm thinking D5 as an alternative to both? 

 

[JohnFrum]

Note that S4 is a moly grease. 

[JohnR725]

4 hours ago, lexacat said:

So ostensibly I could just replace Moebius A everywhere it's used with 9010

Yes because the exact same thing. I'm also attaching a PDF of a slightly different Seiko showing how to lubricated and their lubrication choices.  The other thing to do you find a really new Seiko watch and see what their lubrication choices are just because people like to change especially watch companies.

Here's a recent discussion on Seiko lubricants

https://www.watchrepairtalk.com/topic/23122-does-anyone-actually-use-the-seiko-lubricants/#comment-206985

Here's a much older discussion with interesting images that might give us some helpful ideas. Then for the S6 I'm guessing from your list D5 would work fine.

https://www.watchrepairtalk.com/topic/5407-seiko-oiling-instructions/

 

 

Seiko-Oil-7005A.PDF

[lexacat]

1 hour ago, JohnR725 said:

Yes because the exact same thing. I'm also attaching a PDF of a slightly different Seiko showing how to lubricated and their lubrication choices.  The other thing to do you find a really new Seiko watch and see what their lubrication choices are just because people like to change especially watch companies.

Here's a recent discussion on Seiko lubricants

https://www.watchrepairtalk.com/topic/23122-does-anyone-actually-use-the-seiko-lubricants/#comment-206985

Here's a much older discussion with interesting images that might give us some helpful ideas. Then for the S6 I'm guessing from your list D5 would work fine.

https://www.watchrepairtalk.com/topic/5407-seiko-oiling-instructions/

 

 

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You're an absolute legend, thanks! 

[JohnFrum]

Current Seiko recommendations (for the 6R35)