Help identify movement and possible replacement

[Boydie]

Hi all, hope you can help. I’ve received this very battered pocket watch. Case is 925 silver. Can you identify the movement so I could find a donor? Or even suggest other movements that would fit? Cheers, B

Forgot to give some dimensions : max diameter 34mm, step down dia 40.5mm, hight of combined plate and bridges 6.5mm, center of keyless to top of plate 2.6mm. 
ta. 

Diameter of dial 42.5mm.

[Kalanag]

I found a Buren watch with a very similar movement from 1934:

www.etsy.com

 

Edited August 5, 2023 by Kalanag

[Boydie]

5 minutes ago, Kalanag said:

I found a Buren watch with a very similar movement from 1934:

www.etsy.com

 

Many thanks, I’ll do a bit more Googleing!

14 minutes ago, Boydie said:

Many thanks, I’ll do a bit more Googleing!

Thanks, very similar, not identical, but might fit the case. Any other thoughts from anyone? More ideas the better! Ta. 

[JohnR725]

13 hours ago, Boydie said:

max diameter 34mm, step down dia 40.5mm,

what would be helpful is to have the lignes size of the watch. Watch diameter is measured on the dial side main plate and I have a PDF that you can figure out what the size is.

the problem is on older watches they become much much harder to identify just because of their age in the reference books don't typically go that far back for densification.

Then what is wrong with the watch that you have now?

watch-ligne-size-chart.pdf

[Boydie]

9 hours ago, JohnR725 said:

what would be helpful is to have the lignes size of the watch. Watch diameter is measured on the dial side main plate and I have a PDF that you can figure out what the size is.

the problem is on older watches they become much much harder to identify just because of their age in the reference books don't typically go that far back for densification.

Then what is wrong with the watch that you have now?

watch-ligne-size-chart.pdf 679.09 kB · 2 downloads

Many thanks John. Looks like it’s 15 Lignes based on the max dia is 34mm. The watch has been dropped really badly by an owner a long time ago by the looks of it. I’m trying to fix for a friend. The movement violently moved in the case, a hand broke, the balance cap jewels top and bottom exploded I guess (cdd as my find them. The balance staff pivots are broken top and bottom, the hairspring is broken as well as extreamly bent. Looks life the pallet girl is wonky, I have only taken the movement out and balance out. There could be many more issues? Al you help or suggestions greatly received. 
ta, B

[JohnR725]

13 hours ago, Boydie said:

15 Lignes

in the world of watch repair to identify watches that have no markings we can use was call the fingerprint system. That's why I needed the size. There are books the earliest one I have is 1950 and the bestfit books in the 60s. But they don't cover vintage which is what this is and then there's the other problem. I did go through both books I couldn't find anything there is almost no 15 size watches anyway. And yes I looked smaller sizes and bigger size is how you can see anything that matched. But even if we figured out who made it whoever sells these typically on eBay won't go through this method and they will sell it based on the words found on the movement M the suffix.

It's only if you get lucky where maybe there's extra words on the plate to identify something. For instance I have a car clock at work not an outstanding example of a car clock with damage. so the definition of damaged is is being used as an aircraft clock probably World War I and it belonged to his grandfather. So the story that came to me was that all he has is the watch in the grandfather did not survive when the plane fell out of the sky. There's probably shot down out of the sky by the way. It actually does say something army on the front side the dial has some really bad marks you can see with the dial CR cassette dial has literally exploded in front like yours no pivots for plate jewels are shattered fortunately the pivots are in good condition so basically this kind of work becomes a restoration project.

my understanding is when they took him my interesting car clock they told the customer we would do a movement swap. We just find another one so I did a cost $500 more than our maximum estimate and I think that was the maximum revised estimate the original estimate was much lower. So replacement movement is out I get to replace the jewels and balance staff and other fun stuff. Oh and of course the customer that likes to call up to see the progress on his basket case that hasn't run since World War I or some other war possibly

 

[Boydie]

10 hours ago, JohnR725 said:

in the world of watch repair to identify watches that have no markings we can use was call the fingerprint system. That's why I needed the size. There are books the earliest one I have is 1950 and the bestfit books in the 60s. But they don't cover vintage which is what this is and then there's the other problem. I did go through both books I couldn't find anything there is almost no 15 size watches anyway. And yes I looked smaller sizes and bigger size is how you can see anything that matched. But even if we figured out who made it whoever sells these typically on eBay won't go through this method and they will sell it based on the words found on the movement M the suffix.

It's only if you get lucky where maybe there's extra words on the plate to identify something. For instance I have a car clock at work not an outstanding example of a car clock with damage. so the definition of damaged is is being used as an aircraft clock probably World War I and it belonged to his grandfather. So the story that came to me was that all he has is the watch in the grandfather did not survive when the plane fell out of the sky. There's probably shot down out of the sky by the way. It actually does say something army on the front side the dial has some really bad marks you can see with the dial CR cassette dial has literally exploded in front like yours no pivots for plate jewels are shattered fortunately the pivots are in good condition so basically this kind of work becomes a restoration project.

my understanding is when they took him my interesting car clock they told the customer we would do a movement swap. We just find another one so I did a cost $500 more than our maximum estimate and I think that was the maximum revised estimate the original estimate was much lower. So replacement movement is out I get to replace the jewels and balance staff and other fun stuff. Oh and of course the customer that likes to call up to see the progress on his basket case that hasn't run since World War I or some other war possibly

 

Thanks John, all good stuff to know to help my watch journey. Good luck with yours and thanks for looking into mine. Ta.