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Hi can someone tell me where a can buy this chart for breguet hairspring frequency?

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This chart is from the book „Die Feinstellung der Uhren“ by author Helwig.

Has nothing to do with frequency but shows theoretical correct shapes.

Frank

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44 minutes ago, praezis said:

This chart is from the book „Die Feinstellung der Uhren“ by author Helwig.

Has nothing to do with frequency but shows theoretical correct shapes.

Frank

I read recently that there are almost 600 different patterns of overcoil.

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OK thank you a just want say thank you  to everyone who replieded me on this web page when I needed help on this watchrepairtalk have learned so much even with the pallet adjustment a can do it now all thanks to you all been a very great help God bless you all.

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1 hour ago, Murks said:

OK thank you a just want say thank you  to everyone who replieded me on this web page when I needed help on this watchrepairtalk have learned so much even with the pallet adjustment a can do it now all thanks to you all been a very great help God bless you all.

Its nice to be shown appreciation for any advice thats been given. Thanks Murks.

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