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"What do you think of this."

I think I'd need a stiff drink before working on it.  What in the ever-lovin' purgatory is going on with this thing???  It looks like it was assembled by a time traveler.  I can see the fusee chain peaking out from one side of the back plate, so I know the movement is likely not very modern.  But the case style looks a lot more recent, although it seems to have had a hard life.  With a solid, slab shaped brass back plate, there isn't much else to see with the movement.  I don't recognize the make at all.  And, above the "83" stamp, I can't if it is stamped "V&E" or "L&F", but it sure doesn't look like "W&H" in the picture.  It looks strange to see finials only on the front corners, but who knows.  And seeing a slot cut in the bottom to accommodate the length of the pendulum would lead one to believe that this case was not the movement's original home, but I concede that I have not seen very many clocks like this.  No clue what's going on with the shiny ball either.  Likely it was once painted to display moon phases...but I don't know, maybe it's the Loc-nar or one of those spheres from Phantasm.  Overall, the dial, hands, case, pendulum, finials, movement in general, all seem like a bunch of awkward strangers who were wondering if they joined the wrong flash mob.
The movement quality and accuracy *might* be pretty good.  That isn't something I can see very well in the pictures.  But the whole clock is rather like a train wreck, isn't it?  Something tragic that one shouldn't stare at, but one can't seem to look away.  How do you find these, @oldhippy; do they just kind of leap out at you now and again?

EDIT: well, I guess if there was a sphere to display moon phases, it wasn't from this movement and I don't think it was the sphere in the picture.  I see that this one has a threaded shaft coming in from the back and is held there by a hex nut.  I see that some of the other deficiencies are listed in the description, so the seller seems like he is at least attempting to be honest about it.  At this point, I think I will let others have a go.  The longer I look at it, the stranger it becomes to my eyes.

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When I said it was not difficult all I wanted was the word MARRAGE. It means that the case and the movement never started as one, they are from two or more clocks in this case it is two. The case is from around 1750 which include the dial and hands. The movement is from anything from late Victorian up to about 1920’s. The movement looks to be from what are known as school clocks which were in classrooms. Going back to the case and type of movement, it would have been a verge timepiece with some sort of attachment to revolve that ball which I expect it to have shown day and night. The finials and the feet are correct but the hole in the floor is later which someone said. You can see in one of the photos how bad the movement has been fitted. Also the handle is missing from the top.  The whole thing is worthless. It is the experience I have gained over years I can spot them right away. Part of my horology time was going to antique auctions and advising a very good antique shop on what to bid for and how much to go up too.  

Thank you to those that had a go. Any questions just ask. 

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