My New Exciting Project (or victim)

[Ammar]

Hello everybody,

So I won a bidding war for a beautiful automatic Certina watch and I am super excited o receive it, I'm doing some research now but couldn't find any service manuals.

I'm very familiar with Seiko, Citizen watches and swiss made vintage watches but this movement looks really different to everything I'm used to and I don't want to screw things up.

The movement is Certina 919, the seller didn't include a photo of the movement but it's clearly running as you can tell from the position of the seconds hand.

Any advices how to go about servicing this watch?

P.S. I paid around $20 for this watch

Edited July 29, 2024 by Ammar

[rjenkinsgb]

There is some information on this page for 919-1, which has three datasheet pages linked:

https://www.vintagecertinas.ch/en/movements-en/

It says the base movement is 853 / 854, but so far I've not been able to find any details for those.

 

[AndyGSi]

Some details here from Cousins.

https://www.cousinsuk.com/PDF/categories/7343_Certina 919.1 .pdf

[rehajm]

‘super’ shockproof!  Nice…

[spectre6000]

Love the yellow date wheel on the blue dial! Color is always a good thing.

[Ammar]

19 hours ago, AndyGSi said:

Some details here from Cousins.

https://www.cousinsuk.com/PDF/categories/7343_Certina 919.1 .pdf

 

19 hours ago, rjenkinsgb said:

There is some information on this page for 919-1, which has three datasheet pages linked:

https://www.vintagecertinas.ch/en/movements-en/

It says the base movement is 853 / 854, but so far I've not been able to find any details for those.

 

Thank you so much.

13 hours ago, spectre6000 said:

Love the yellow date wheel on the blue dial! Color is always a good thing.

Yes it looks really nice, I hope it's the original color and the date wheel isn't tarnished or something.

[Neverenoughwatches]

21 hours ago, rehajm said:

‘super’ shockproof!  Nice…

double shock, its actually double secruity DS , Certina made a big thing about it in the 60's. 

Hope its ok, ive bin tryin to pick one of these up in decent nick for under £100 for a while. 

[Ammar]

1 hour ago, Neverenoughwatches said:

double shock, its actually double secruity DS , Certina made a big thing about it in the 60's. 

How exactly does this double shock work? I've never seen it before.

1 hour ago, Neverenoughwatches said:

Hope its ok, ive bin tryin to pick one of these up in decent nick for under £100 for a while. 

Is it a good watch, based on the images I've seen on the internet the movement looks very nice but is it accurate and high quality?

[tomh207]

This explains the double security function of the certina DS system 

https://www.europastar.com/highlights/1004091548-certina-60-years-of-double-security.html

 

they are a reputable Swiss brand now owned by Swatch. I’m sure I have read somewhere that they were mainly marketed to the Middle Eastern and Asian markets.

 

Tom

[Ammar]

31 minutes ago, tomh207 said:

This explains the double security function of the certina DS system 

https://www.europastar.com/highlights/1004091548-certina-60-years-of-double-security.html

 

they are a reputable Swiss brand now owned by Swatch. I’m sure I have read somewhere that they were mainly marketed to the Middle Eastern and Asian markets.

 

Tom

Wow! thank you very much, very interesting.

I still can't imagine how the movement moves in all directions, does it move with the dial? if not wouldn't this affect the hands and the hour wheel? 

I guess I'm gonna have to wait for the watch to arrive to see form my self.

[tomh207]

The movement, dial and hands move as one unit within the suspension. There will be a restriction in the build as to how close the hands and dial side get to the crystal.

 

Tom

[Ammar]

A little update, the movement is in a great condition but the date change wheel is missing so I'm on the look out for one.

[AndyGSi]

1 hour ago, Ammar said:

A little update, the movement is in a great condition but the date change wheel is missing so I'm on the look out for one.

Is it Part No. 2556 that you're looking for?

[Ammar]

2 hours ago, AndyGSi said:

Is it Part No. 2556 that you're looking for?

Yes, Thant's exactly what I'm looking for.

I didn't inspect the movement thoroughly (seems to be running fine) but this is what jumped at me right away.

[AndyGSi]

They are available but don' think they're worth the price compared to what you paid for the watch.

Although they are going for decent money.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/364447077474?itmmeta=01J534D65T21SX7KNXJWMZ6G7P&hash=item54dabd1462:g:rF8AAOSwvMRk7P8E&itmprp=enc%3AAQAJAAAA4C8jDGh9%2BPjQW9pgy0TN%2FchEmaonsOEwG287ypOzbsZ%2BrkwQo0NC9I3WuIi7LCyDIZzG7G5sFaESK3VeUOIMM8xJCbrmVxXFeF0%2FH76S6XzstWaZmuHMTebXIqIhI49j7oIDfPBQxS5dBFysnuZcUrmKebdyUxdYdNNsONdLZfje%2B9o5dXcxA2%2FhrFHW1p9DYkzSOlq8wMG%2Bl60jzAhe4K3EAS3gk2SRtWjPLPyfyiiboF6niMK5SbIFiqxqlV%2FSe9s056ncairOu9h7zVkyvickDk78YBa6gCsuEXlxKJCG|tkp%3ABk9SR4DjtOSoZA

https://www.spareparts-watches.com/product/2340023/certina-919-1-kurth-919-1-k-f-g-919-1

[Ammar]

54 minutes ago, AndyGSi said:

They are available but don' think they're worth the price compared to what you paid for the watch.

Although they are going for decent money.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/364447077474?itmmeta=01J534D65T21SX7KNXJWMZ6G7P&hash=item54dabd1462:g:rF8AAOSwvMRk7P8E&itmprp=enc%3AAQAJAAAA4C8jDGh9%2BPjQW9pgy0TN%2FchEmaonsOEwG287ypOzbsZ%2BrkwQo0NC9I3WuIi7LCyDIZzG7G5sFaESK3VeUOIMM8xJCbrmVxXFeF0%2FH76S6XzstWaZmuHMTebXIqIhI49j7oIDfPBQxS5dBFysnuZcUrmKebdyUxdYdNNsONdLZfje%2B9o5dXcxA2%2FhrFHW1p9DYkzSOlq8wMG%2Bl60jzAhe4K3EAS3gk2SRtWjPLPyfyiiboF6niMK5SbIFiqxqlV%2FSe9s056ncairOu9h7zVkyvickDk78YBa6gCsuEXlxKJCG|tkp%3ABk9SR4DjtOSoZA

https://www.spareparts-watches.com/product/2340023/certina-919-1-kurth-919-1-k-f-g-919-1

Thank you very much, I did see those yesterday but they are very expensive compared to what I've paid for the watch.

The extortionate customs taxes here makes even more difficult for me to buy this part

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Edited August 12, 2024 by Ammar

[AndyGSi]

I presume that part if the only piece that's missing?

[Ammar]

34 minutes ago, AndyGSi said:

I presume that part if the only piece that's missing?

As far as I know yes.

I'll wait and see the local sellers I usually find the parts I need i a couple of months.

[caseback]

On 8/12/2024 at 9:05 AM, Ammar said:

A little update, the movement is in a great condition but the date change wheel is missing so I'm on the look out for one.

Yes, these sometimes break. That's why it's a popular part, hence the inflated prices.  I've seen posts where people make a new spring (the bit that breaks). If you find one, take note how you place it, otherwise the date change won't work properly.

[Ammar]

4 hours ago, caseback said:

Yes, these sometimes break. That's why it's a popular part, hence the inflated prices.  I've seen posts where people make a new spring (the bit that breaks). If you find one, take note how you place it, otherwise the date change won't work properly.

Making a new part is way above my skill and tolls level, I'd like to get there one day though.

What do you mean about placing the part? does it have a specific way to install? do you mean that I have to hook the leaver under it in the hole of tha is on the wheel plate?

[caseback]

1 hour ago, Ammar said:

What do you mean about placing the part? does it have a specific way to install? do you mean that I have to hook the leaver under it in the hole of tha is on the wheel plate?

Just the orientation of the part. If you have it and place it, you'll see how it works. At one point, part of the wheel is turned so a spring is pushed out. That in turn pushes the date ring. You'll have to place the wheel so the timing for that works. There might be some timing marks on the wheel driving it. There should be some Certina tech sheets out there explaining it better then I do. They used the same system on a lot of there movements, like the 25-651.

[Ammar]

3 hours ago, caseback said:

Just the orientation of the part. If you have it and place it, you'll see how it works. At one point, part of the wheel is turned so a spring is pushed out. That in turn pushes the date ring. You'll have to place the wheel so the timing for that works. There might be some timing marks on the wheel driving it. There should be some Certina tech sheets out there explaining it better then I do. They used the same system on a lot of there movements, like the 25-651.

Ok,

Thank you very much, I didn't know that I'll be careful when I get the part.

[caseback]

There are some topics on this wheel on this forum as well. Search "25-651 date wheel".

[Razz]

Checked cousins UK and is listing as discontinued, and they are pretty good about crossing over to bestfit if there is another caliber or another  manufacture's caliber part that would work...but might be worth a look anyway...