Lubeta V105 substitute

[Simeon]

I have a couple of automatics with traditional reversers (as opposed to magic lever type automatics) that I am going to service, so I intend to make some Lubeta V105 like suspended lubricant. 

I have seen the oiling instructions from Omega that @JohnR725 has previously posted gives a recipe of 1000ml of benzine (or similar) to 33ml of 9010. Since I am neither a millionaire nor servicing 10,000 watches, I will be making it up with 1ml of 9010 to 30ml of either Naphtha (specifically Shellite as available in Australia) or IPA.

Which would be the best solvent out of the two to use?

Any other tips around making it / using it?

[rjenkinsgb]

Naphtha is a better oil solvent than IPA, I'd go with that.

[JohnR725]

2 hours ago, rjenkinsgb said:

Naphtha is a better oil solvent than IPA

Then I would definitely agree with the above statement I don't think IPA would be a good solvent at all. Then someone the discussion group somebody was I think complaining that they didn't like this at all. I just don't remember what the something was and then I recently saw another document where there are some additional kind of cautions with the whole thing in other words yes it works but it's not a great replacement for the original would be better to have the original

 

[mikepilk]

2 hours ago, rjenkinsgb said:

Naphtha is a better oil solvent than IPA, I'd go with that.

I used to make my own with naphtha. The Omega guide just says Benzine - which could mean anything. Wiki :

We all know that Naphtha leaves a sticky residure and several times I had watches which were very hard to wind after cleaning and lubricating the reversers. I wonder if the naphtha residue is too sticky?

So I decided to buy some Lubeta V105, and I haven't had any more problems.

4 hours ago, Simeon said:

Since I am neither a millionaire nor servicing 10,000 watches,

You don't need to be either @Simeon, you can buy 10ml bottles for just £10 (at least here in the UK)

[Simeon]

3 minutes ago, mikepilk said:

I used to make my own with naphtha. The Omega guide just says Benzine - which could mean anything. Wiki :

We all know that Naphtha leaves a sticky residure and several times I had watches which were very hard to wind after cleaning and lubricating the reversers. I wonder if the naphtha residue is too sticky?

So I decided to buy some Lubeta V105, and I haven't had any more problems.

You don't need to be either @Simeon, you can buy 10ml bottles for just £10 (at least here in the UK)

Actually, ten quid is not too bad - maybe I will just put some on my next Cousin's order. I was thinking about the cost of buying 33ml of 9010!

The Shellite (as opposed to Naphtha, lighter fluid, Coleman fluid etc) doesn't seem to leave a residue. Looking at its constituents on the MSDS, it's not clear what would be a residue. 

I use it for cleaning (ultrasonic and pre-cleaning) but I usually use IPA to rinse after the Shellite. 

Thinking about changing my MO to use Essence of Renata for dip type cleaning (balances, shock settings, pallet forks) and maybe use some dedicated watch cleaning solutions available in Australia (that all seem to be Naphtha based) in the Ultrasonic.

59 minutes ago, JohnR725 said:

Then I would definitely agree with the above statement I don't think IPA would be a good solvent at all. Then someone the discussion group somebody was I think complaining that they didn't like this at all. I just don't remember what the something was and then I recently saw another document where there are some additional kind of cautions with the whole thing in other words yes it works but it's not a great replacement for the original would be better to have the original

 

I thought I saw Alex Hamilton make some using IPA on a YouTube video (I could definitely be wrong here). Maybe he used Hexane (which would probably be a better solvent, I just can't get hold of that).

I have seen people just apply a bit of neat 9010 to a few of the rollers, or even leave them un-oiled. Not sure which would be the best compromise if you had no Lubeta type lubricant at all. 

[JohnR725]

8 hours ago, Simeon said:

Alex Hamilton

What's interesting with people on YouTube is they do all sorts of interesting things that perhaps the rest of us should not do.

8 hours ago, Simeon said:

I have seen people just apply a bit of neat 9010 to a few of the rollers, or even leave them un-oiled. Not sure which would be the best compromise if you had no Lubeta type lubricant at all.

A lot of it depends upon the particular part. I think when I was in school the instructor would stick a little 9010 down inside. I remember once with an Omega or I cleaned it and did not lubricated at all and it came back. But that was the day of were days of where he could still buy Omega parts I just purchased a brand-new one the problem was solved.

Then I went to work in a shop also in the days where individual shops were authorized service providers and I was looking forward to because he was Omega service provider I went to see the nifty tools for disassembling of the reverser. But he didn't disassemble he used dual lube. Somewhat recently were discussing miracle lube or one step and this is in the same category but it did apply a very thin coating of lubrication to the reverser wheels and apparently worked just fine. He was in a shop that was doing higher and watches and I suspect if it didn't work like the one I did he would hear about it really really fast so obviously it did work. But on the other hand if you can buy a commercial solution in a tiny bottle that's can take a long time to go through which by the way is exactly what were doing where I work there is a tiny bottle of the user for the reverser wheels.