Weishi 1000 keeps resetting to auto detection mode

[DocKrebs]

I'm Doc Krebs and a watch repair hobbyist. I recently purchased a weishi 1000 and have tried to learn it. Any watch I place in the mic stand, reads at 12000 the the system resets to auto detection mode without giving a full reading, graph or otherwise. Any tips? Thanks in advance. 

[AndyGSi]

Welcome to the forum.

Best practice is to leave in Auto and see what reading it shows, then compare to what it should be.

What movement is it and what does the screen look like?

My first thoughts are that the watch is so far out of beat that it can't get a stable signal.

[JohnR725]

27 minutes ago, AndyGSi said:

What movement is it and what does the screen look like?

Helpful to have descriptions of the watch and its condition like has it been serviced is a brand-new. Also pictures the screen and a picture of how you're trying to hold the watch.

[Nucejoe]

Just now, AndyGSi said:

My first thoughts are that the watch is so far out of beat that it can't get a stable signal.

Welcome to the WRT forum.

 Perhaps your first thought isn't out of beat, do you let the oscillator  stablize ?   once on tg  !?!?

Rgds

 

Edited August 25, 2024 by Nucejoe
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[Neverenoughwatches]

6 hours ago, DocKrebs said:

I'm Doc Krebs and a watch repair hobbyist. I recently purchased a weishi 1000 and have tried to learn it. Any watch I place in the mic stand, reads at 12000 the the system resets to auto detection mode without giving a full reading, graph or otherwise. Any tips? Thanks in advance. 

you say any watch ,how many have you tried

[DocKrebs]

4

[HectorLooi]

How is the noise level in your workroom? The timegrapher doesn't work well in noisy environments. I realised that when I was trying to regulate a watch with my ultrasonic cleaner running about 6 feet away. It didn't seem very noisy to me but that's probably due to my high frequency deafness. 

[JohnR725]

2 hours ago, HectorLooi said:

I realised that when I was trying to regulate a watch with my ultrasonic cleaner running about 6 feet away.

The Chinese timing machine seem to be very sensitive to know ways almost any noise. Witschi on the other hand is much better except ultrasonic cleaning machine seem to be very bad even for them. When we moved to our new location in an attempt to keep the ultrasonic from bothering the timing machine it's currently in a sink. Now that's not a place I would put something it runs on electricity but that's what they did so it's below the level of the counter top. Then even with that unless they put a top over the sink at about 12 feet away it still bothers the witschi.

10 hours ago, DocKrebs said:

reads at 12000 the the system resets to auto detection mode without giving a full reading, graph or otherwise.

I'm attaching an image out of the 1000 manual and you can see 12,000 is the lowest of the automatic frequencies. The only problem is I don't know of any watch that runs at that frequency so the machine is definitely having an issue if that's what it's defaulting to.

 

 

[Neverenoughwatches]

3 hours ago, HectorLooi said:

How is the noise level in your workroom? The timegrapher doesn't work well in noisy environments. I realised that when I was trying to regulate a watch with my ultrasonic cleaner running about 6 feet away. It didn't seem very noisy to me but that's probably due to my high frequency deafness. 

My music playing while working in my watchroom does tend to interfere with the tg pickup. But then with thrash metal at full volume you would expect that . 

I jest light classical is my preference,  keeps me calm in my serene surroundings unless a flyer happens then the air becomes a deep shade of navy blue

[AndyGSi]

13 hours ago, DocKrebs said:

reads at 12000 the system resets to auto detection mode

From this do you mean you're setting it manually to 12000?

[DocKrebs]

On 8/25/2024 at 3:10 PM, AndyGSi said:

Welcome to the forum.

Best practice is to leave in Auto and see what reading it shows, then compare to what it should be.

What movement is it and what does the screen look like?

My first thoughts are that the watch is so far out of beat that it can't get a stable signal.

It will not read anything other than what I have noted. It just defaults to a loop. After a Citizen, a Bulova, and 2-Casios have had mic time, the readings are all the same. I sent it to the "shop" to be tested, repaired and/or replaced.

[tomh207]

5 hours ago, DocKrebs said:

It will not read anything other than what I have noted. It just defaults to a loop. After a Citizen, a Bulova, and 2-Casios have had mic time, the readings are all the same. I sent it to the "shop" to be tested, repaired and/or replaced.

Are you sure those are all mechanical watches? 
 

Tom

[JohnR725]

19 hours ago, DocKrebs said:

Casios

13 hours ago, tomh207 said:

Are you sure those are all mechanical watches?

sometimes I feel like I'm out of touch with the world I didn't know Casio had mechanical watches? I guess you learn something new every day I would like to see pictures of those and maybe pictures of all of them believe it does bring up the problem of this is a timing machine for mechanical watches that haven't mainspring and do not have a battery sort of. There are some battery-powered watches it Balance wheels but it would be unlikely to have one of those and they'll look strange on the timing machine anyway. It's much more likely that their quartz watches which would be a problem for the timing machine.

[praezis]

36 minutes ago, JohnR725 said:

It's much more likely that their quartz watches which would be a problem for the timing machine.

This might be the explanation - but still a poor show if a TM cannot detect 3600 

Frank

[AndyGSi]

10 minutes ago, praezis said:

This might be the explanation - but still a poor show if a TM cannot detect 3600 

Frank

Can you show a movement that runs at 3600?

[tomh207]

18 minutes ago, praezis said:

This might be the explanation - but still a poor show if a TM cannot detect 3600 

Frank

Not sure what you mean Frank? If the timegrapher software is designed to interpret the sounds from a lever escapement, as the weishi 1000 is, surely it would display pretty much nothing just as is being described. I know that you are much more expert in timegrapher software than me, however the 1000 is not the most sophisticated machine on the planet.

 

I believe the majority of modern Bulova and Citizen watches are quartz and I don’t know nor have heard of any mechanical Casio’s. Hence my question @JohnR725

 

Tom

[JohnR725]

25 minutes ago, praezis said:

This might be the explanation - but still a poor show if a TM cannot detect 3600 

I think we have a confusion here? For instance your software it automatically will detect the quartz watch?

I snipped out an image from the manual for my timing machine. This is the witschi watch expert two and this is for the automatic range. Notice the lowest frequency 12,000 not 3600. Up above I snipped out the image from the Chinese manual which has one more frequency higher up because they kind of sort of cloned the witschi watch expert three which has a higher frequency.

But poor show is a sad description of a witschi timing machine.

 

what I suspect is the problem of not reading the users manual where it very clearly states that this is a timing machine for what exactly? Let me snipped out an image. It appears to be a timing machine for mechanical watches.

 

11 minutes ago, tomh207 said:

I don’t know nor have heard of any mechanical Casio’s. Hence my question

I wasn't sure so I googled Casio and mechanical watches it appears to be they make a heck of a lot of digital watches. it does not appear though that they have ever made a mechanical watch but I look forward to seeing the pictures of the mechanical watches there were put on this timing machine made by Casio maybe there rare collectors items?

20 hours ago, DocKrebs said:

I sent it to the "shop" to be tested, repaired and/or replaced.

then I'm really curious about this? I didn't know there was a shop that would repair the Chinese timing machines?

 

[praezis]

Ok, ok, you convinced me that it‘s normal, no poor show, that they can‘t detect 3600 . And that this is fine for you. I just supposed different.

You could test many clocks with a clamp mic then… I forgot they are no watches

You could test the accuracy of the TM with a good quartz watch. You could even test quartz watches and clocks on coarse rate error, you could make inhibition visible and more. Subjunctive.

1 hour ago, JohnR725 said:

I think we have a confusion here? For instance your software it automatically will detect the quartz watch?

3600? Of course

[JohnR725]

23 hours ago, praezis said:

3600? Of course

the free version?

23 hours ago, praezis said:

You could test the accuracy of the TM with a good quartz watch.

perhaps?

rather than guessing I thought experiment would be in order. The Chinese 1000 machine did not perform as described by the original person asking the question. In other words the LED flashed once a second indicating my stepping motor watch was in the microphone but it just sat there with the screen waiting for the ticking of a watch. So in other words is an automatic mode it it's not knowing whatever it is that it's receiving.

I then changed it to manually 3600 and now it out of the auto mode into the graphical display mode but no graphical display or numbers. I guess the timing machine knows that it's not acting right for a mechanical watch.

On the other hand the witschi version number two is different? First it did flash its LED and it has a speaker so I could hear it ticking once a second and it said out of range. So in the auto mode it defaults to it knows it's not her auto range were in the auto range. So then I changed it to frequency mode which the Chinese version does not have and of course it confirmed that it was a 3600+ or minus one second which I found amusing. Then it still refuses to display anything because the amplitude was out of range. But once again witschi has more options so I put it on rate only mode. so basically it does the rate only does not do the calculations for the amplitude or beat and usually you can force it to give you something if it's having a problem with whatever it's hearing. Now it did give a graphical display and said my watches running slightly fast and based on the graphical display if this was a mechanical watch it would be having severe escapement issues as it was not producing a nice straight line across the timing machine.

So the interesting thing here is and for anyone that has the Chinese 1000 machine you should put a quartz watch on and see if any of us can simulate the original problem?

[praezis]

22 minutes ago, JohnR725 said:

 

On 8/30/2024 at 12:19 AM, praezis said:

3600? Of course

the free version?

Yes, and find beat rate (= frequency mode), too.