What caliber does this fake Tissot use?

[Nomans]

This watch is broken in the balance wheel. What caliber does this fake tissot use?

[AndyGSi]

If it's a fake then it doesn't matter what it is as it needs to be destroyed.

[eccentric59]

It looks like a poor impersonation of a Seiko NH35. If you want to keep it/fix it then remove the Tissot branding from it or hit it with a hammer.

[JohnR725]

15 minutes ago, eccentric59 said:

It looks like a poor impersonation of a Seiko NH35.

1 hour ago, Nomans said:

What caliber does this fake tissot use

the problem with a fake watch is it specifically designed for one purpose only and repair is not one of those purposes. Its sole purpose of existence is to extract money out of people who fail to grasp what exactly their purchasing. So it looks like a Seiko but of course it's not going to be a Seiko because that would be too expensive it's a Chinese clone of a Seiko whatever was cheap at the time this thing was made.  this means no replacement parts at all and basically working on one is a waste of your time if you value your time.

[Nomans]

10 hours ago, eccentric59 said:

It looks like a poor impersonation of a Seiko NH35. If you want to keep it/fix it then remove the Tissot branding from it or hit it with a hammer.

I've tried using NH35 but it still doesn't work

[Nomans]

10 hours ago, JohnR725 said:

the problem with a fake watch is it specifically designed for one purpose only and repair is not one of those purposes. Its sole purpose of existence is to extract money out of people who fail to grasp what exactly their purchasing. So it looks like a Seiko but of course it's not going to be a Seiko because that would be too expensive it's a Chinese clone of a Seiko whatever was cheap at the time this thing was made.  this means no replacement parts at all and basically working on one is a waste of your time if you value your time.

Can you please identify the movement used because this belongs to my customer

[JohnR725]

45 minutes ago, Nomans said:

Can you please identify the movement used because this belongs to my customer

the answer is no I cannot identify the movement as I typically do not work with Chinese movements. Then even if someone on the group did identify the movement it would have to be acquired someplace. It would still be best to go out and purchase another one in fact find out where the customer purchase the first one from.

But it still brings up the problem of you get what you pay for. Part of the cost of legitimate watches is so that they can be serviced. Watches made by the Chinese mafia were not designed to be serviced.

49 minutes ago, Nomans said:

I've tried using NH35 but it still doesn't work

why did it not work what was different or whatever?

[AndyGSi]

1 hour ago, Nomans said:

Can you please identify the movement used because this belongs to my customer

Why don't you just fit an NH35 movement then and get rid of at least the Tissot branding on the rotor.

[oldhippy]

I would tell the customer its a fake and hand it back. 

[spectre6000]

Destroying it seems a bit extreme and unhelpful... It's a copy, and it's barely more than a toy, but it's someone else's toy, and they can play however they want. The downside of buying these toys is readily apparent in these sorts of circumstances.

The core issue is that you're probably not going to be able to identify the Chinese movement. There are a small handful of outfits pumping out copy movements, and they intentionally obfuscate their origin to a degree so that counterfeit watches don't come back to them. Parts are rarely successfully interchangeable even between copies of the same movement. The movement is effectively a crumpled up kleenex at this point.

You could try to track down an identical fake watch to salvage it for parts. This will take lots of time, you'll probably get it wrong a few times, and your customer will be into this watch for many times what they originally paid, and many more times what it's worth.

You could measure out all the critical dimensions for the dial, hands, and case, and try to find a new movement that will fit. This is more likely to be successful on a faster time frame and at lower cost. Those copy movements will often mimic the dimensions of a more common movement so that they work in a variety of similar applications. The Seiko similarity is probably a handy clue. This is the route I would take.

Finally, you could make the broken parts up from scratch. Guaranteed success assuming you have the tools and skills. Acquiring said tools and skills is no small feat though...

[SwissSeiko]

I agree it looks like a seiko NH35, but then possibly a chronograph movement underneath? The pushers appear to be at least pressing on some type of cam lever

[HectorLooi]

19 hours ago, Nomans said:

This watch is broken in the balance wheel.

When you say broken, do you mean that the pivot is broken? 

Balance wheels with a shock system seldom break their pivots.

While many features of this movement point to a Seiko, the balance cock doesn't. A NH35 would have an Etachron stud and regulator. The shock jewels also do not look like a NH35.

Can you confirm that there isn't any chronograph complications in this movement? 

[Nomans]

1 hour ago, SwissSeiko said:

I agree it looks like a seiko NH35, but then possibly a chronograph movement underneath? The pushers appear to be at least pressing on some type of cam lever

Yes, this movement has a chronograph

[Nomans]

3 hours ago, spectre6000 said:

Destroying it seems a bit extreme and unhelpful... It's a copy, and it's barely more than a toy, but it's someone else's toy, and they can play however they want. The downside of buying these toys is readily apparent in these sorts of circumstances.

The core issue is that you're probably not going to be able to identify the Chinese movement. There are a small handful of outfits pumping out copy movements, and they intentionally obfuscate their origin to a degree so that counterfeit watches don't come back to them. Parts are rarely successfully interchangeable even between copies of the same movement. The movement is effectively a crumpled up kleenex at this point.

You could try to track down an identical fake watch to salvage it for parts. This will take lots of time, you'll probably get it wrong a few times, and your customer will be into this watch for many times what they originally paid, and many more times what it's worth.

You could measure out all the critical dimensions for the dial, hands, and case, and try to find a new movement that will fit. This is more likely to be successful on a faster time frame and at lower cost. Those copy movements will often mimic the dimensions of a more common movement so that they work in a variety of similar applications. The Seiko similarity is probably a handy clue. This is the route I would take.

Finally, you could make the broken parts up from scratch. Guaranteed success assuming you have the tools and skills. Acquiring said tools and skills is no small feat though...

Thank you for your suggestion, maybe I will return this to the customer.

[JohnR725]

2 hours ago, Nomans said:

Thank you for your suggestion, maybe I will return this to the customer.

this would actually be the best plan for both you and the customer. Attempting to fix a watch that was never designed to be repaired leads to lots of problems for you. Then if you can't quite get it right the customers going to be unhappy with you not the people who made the watch. It's best to explain to the customer that it's not a real watch it only looks like a real watch and it's really cheap is is not meant to be repaired. the problem with watches are people only see the outside they somehow think it's real and the just don't grasp what they have at all. so education of the customer explaining the outside looks real but the inside is not and it can't be repaired ever is the best option.