Movement identification thread

[Neverenoughwatches]

Hi watch people,  i trust we are all well. Thought a dedicated movement ID area might be useful. Not specifically for restoration advice but just somewhere were we could throw a movement size and pictures of the plate, top bridge anything with numbers or letters and keyless works at the forum so members could chip in and help with a quick search through their  resources . Bit of practice for those with knowledge and lists and newbies could pick up the idea on how to  find out what movement they are working on. Form something of a database, a lot of us have the bestfits for research but i have Flume and Swiss catalogs as well, some of us may have more, plus some movements are unlisted . This can take some real work to find out what they are. A one thread fits all movements identification.

[tomh207]

10 hours ago, Neverenoughwatches said:

Hi watch people,  i trust we are all well. Thought a dedicated movement ID area might be useful. Not specifically for restoration advice but just somewhere were we could throw a movement size and pictures of the plate, top bridge anything with numbers or letters and keyless works at the forum so members could chip in and help with a quick search through their  resources . Bit of practice for those with knowledge and lists and newbies could pick up the idea on how to  find out what movement they are working on. Form something of a database, a lot of us have the bestfits for research but i have Flume and Swiss catalogs as well, some of us may have more, plus some movements are unlisted . This can take some real work to find out what they are. A one thread fits all movements identification.

Hi Rich,

I am not quite sure what you’re looking for here? You have already posted this in the watch movement identification dedicated area of the forum. As there are 10’s of thousands of movements/variations the only really useful thing would be a comprehensive database like ranfft was and I think that was a lifetime’s work with lots of extra information and input from users globally. If you look at emmywatch it’s a fair attempt but has a lot of inconsistencies and inaccuracies which whilst maybe giving a starting place we still need to do further research as often as not to confirm identities that are towards the obscure end of the scale.

just my tuppence 

 

Tom

[Neverenoughwatches]

2 minutes ago, tomh207 said:

Hi Rich,

I am not quite sure what you’re looking for here? You have already posted this in the watch movement identification dedicated area of the forum. As there are 10’s of thousands of movements/variations the only really useful thing would be a comprehensive database like ranfft was and I think that was a lifetime’s work with lots of extra information and input from users globally. If you look at emmywatch it’s a fair attempt but has a lot of inconsistencies and inaccuracies which whilst maybe giving a starting place we still need to do further research as often as not to confirm identities that are towards the obscure end of the scale.

just my tuppence 

 

Tom

Hi Tom, can we access this section as a whole and scroll through all the threads in it ?... i wasn't sure. There are plenty of movement identification sites but we only tend to use them to verify an already suspect from using the keyless works fingerprint system of bestfits or to aquire basic information about the movement. I thought rather than folk start up a new thread for each watch ID enquiry.....lets just keep them all collectively in one place. 

Here is one i have just now. All ready stripped down unfortunately,  Plate size 23.7mm -10.5 ligne letter L and B on a brass plate and 2 keyless components...an unusual yoke/spring combination, should have it assembled enough later today. Cant quite remember but i think i got as far as Gruen.

[tomh207]

A single thread for I.d. would get rather unwieldy rather fast Rich. This section is scrollable for sure and has 11 pages of requests for help to identify movements. Google site search is probably the best way to look for something specific, though not sure if you would find more about a movement than you already know with any search and all forum integrated searches I have seen are pretty rubbish. 
 

moderators can try too catch id requests and put them in this section but only full threads, as far as I have been able to figure out. Which gives the problem that often people post an id request in an extant thread “I have something like that, what is this one?” So would end up moving a thread about whatever into the movement id section when it should be in the movement trouble shooting area or whatever. Folks also don’t put the request for id in the subject or any tags so not always easy to see it’s a movement I’d thread. All we can do really is encourage folks to post in the correct area and even for veterans here it can be tricky as to exactly were a thread should be started.

 

cheers

Tom

[Neverenoughwatches]

Rupert Bear pyjama pants and slippers tossing it off day today with constant coffee brewing, its going to be a fun day for everyone

6 minutes ago, tomh207 said:

A single thread for I.d. would get rather unwieldy rather fast Rich. This section is scrollable for sure and has 11 pages of requests for help to identify movements. Google site search is probably the best way to look for something specific, though not sure if you would find more about a movement than you already know with any search and all forum integrated searches I have seen are pretty rubbish. 
 

moderators can try too catch id requests and put them in this section but only full threads, as far as I have been able to figure out. Which gives the problem that often people post an id request in an extant thread “I have something like that, what is this one?” So would end up moving a thread about whatever into the movement id section when it should be in the movement trouble shooting area or whatever. Folks also don’t put the request for id in the subject or any tags so not always easy to see it’s a movement I’d thread. All we can do really is encourage folks to post in the correct area and even for veterans here it can be tricky as to exactly were a thread should be started.

 

cheers

Tom

I haven't tried scrolling this whole section so i wasn't sure. The idea was really to cut down on folk starting up a new topic with a title each time. I thought even if this thread grows huge...its just a quick place to get a single use from it.....just some movement identification and nothing else really...I think the bit more advanced could use it when they run into a wall.

[tomh207]

6 minutes ago, Neverenoughwatches said:

Rupert Bear pyjama pants and slippers tossing it off day today with constant coffee brewing, its going to be a fun day for everyone

Oh Lordy, again? Just sitting here questioning my decision to volunteer as a moderator, just had a shiver down my spine of realising you are approaching retirement Rich!!!

enjoy ️

Tom

[Neverenoughwatches]

If not this thread then a simplified version of this section that doesn't require having to fill field boxes out. Just a this is the parts i have for show....who's up for a game of Cluedo .

4 minutes ago, tomh207 said:

Oh Lordy, again? Just sitting here questioning my decision to volunteer as a moderator, just had a shiver down my spine of realising you are approaching retirement Rich!!!

enjoy ️

Tom

I just had a thought a film quote flash through my mind ......The Fly........Be affraid be very affraid......

[tomh207]

That is what I believe we have here in this section Rich, it doesn’t make sense to me not to create a new thread for each id request. The really hard bit is to get folk to go back and update the thread subject with the found movement id which would make the section so much more useful.

Tom

[Neverenoughwatches]

13 minutes ago, tomh207 said:

That is what I believe we have here in this section Rich, it doesn’t make sense to me not to create a new thread for each id request. The really hard bit is to get folk to go back and update the thread subject with the found movement id which would make the section so much more useful.

Tom

Ok Thanks Tom, after nearly 3 years.. I've only just tried scrolling a complete section .  Every time i use this section though I'll just title it " lets play cluedo "

Sooo anyway,  anyone  ID my movement yet or do i have to get mh own finger out

42 minutes ago, tomh207 said:

approaching retirement Rich!!!

enjoy ️

Tom

Anyhow, what do you "approaching", I'm already there matey. Gave up work this week, starting Uni or college as soon as i can get the course i want ( which may end up being Leeds as Hull apparently dont need knowledgable construction folk )  next stop - East Riding Council Building inspector.......builders of East Riding.....Be affraid be very affraid

[VWatchie]

51 minutes ago, tomh207 said:

Just sitting here questioning my decision to volunteer as a moderator

I just wanted to take this opportunity to pay tribute to those of you who volunteer your time and commitment as moderators and I also think you do a fantastic job. In addition, I am sure Mark is super-satisfied and super-happy with your efforts.

Historically, moderation has been quite contentious (without naming names or going into details), so the contrast with how well it works today is really striking.

Fanfare and cheers to you moderators! 

[Neverenoughwatches]

35 minutes ago, VWatchie said:

without naming names or going into details

you dont need to H , i remember him well

[VWatchie]

3 hours ago, Neverenoughwatches said:

you dont need to H , i remember him well

I think about that person sometimes and honestly hope he's doing well. No hard feelings. We're all different and sometimes there is a connect and sometimes a disconnect. That's just how life is.

[Neverenoughwatches]

35 minutes ago, VWatchie said:

I think about that person sometimes and honestly hope he's doing well. No hard feelings. We're all different and sometimes there is a connect and sometimes a disconnect. That's just how life is.

I do too...we are all different and we have no idea why that person behaves the way they do. I had a shitty upbringing and my dad was a drunken bully a lot of the time ( major issues god rest his soul,  i know he had some good in him ). I wont let that taint my behaviour towards folk and i try to get on with everybody because life is too short, i act the fool, mostly because i like to see folk laugh but i have a very serious mature side when it's required and i absolutely detest bullies and drunks , i give folk the benefit of the doubt but only for so long, i can be real sod when someone rubs me up the wrong way.

I remember some of the comments that " he who shall not be named " would make to beginners.....my tolerance ceiling used to instantly drop

[Nucejoe]

Similar Idea was put forward for posting links to  data sheets and oiling charts.

 Mark expressed concern about legality of simply posting links . 

 WE DON'T WANT TO GET IN TROUBLE DOWN THE LINE,  he said 

We carried on anyway ,  lucky no one has sued WRT so far.

Guess such  thread  be alright as long as its our own in- house brew, a challenge will be, we would need an army of moderators.

 

 

 

[Neverenoughwatches]

4 hours ago, Nucejoe said:

Similar Idea was put forward for posting links to  data sheets and oiling charts.

 Mark expressed concern about legality of simply posting links . 

 WE DON'T WANT TO GET IN TROUBLE DOWN THE LINE,  he said 

We carried on anyway ,  lucky no one has sued WRT so far.

Guess such  thread  be alright as long as its our own in- house brew, a challenge will be, we would need an army of moderators.

 

 

 

I dont really understand what the issue  would be with this thread, or something else set up just to provide a quick service answering system based mostly on looking at pictures of the keyless works. The identity of a movement is by far the most asked question. Sometimes i will come on the forum wanting to offer help, its good to find someone wanting to know a movement, i enjoy the digging up of evidence. I thought that just one question stacked thread would be better than 1000s of threads in one section all asking the same question .

[rjenkinsgb]

The various individual identification threads can sometimes end up each several pages long. I just do not see how it could work with everyone posting all requests in a single thread.

What could be a useful one (which I thought you may mean, when you started this thread), is a moderator- or advanced-member only sticky "index" type thread with a thumbnail image, calibre type & a link to the relevant full thread, for each identified movement.

That could work as a quick reference that can be browsed through easily for known movements without hours of looking through many old & long threads?

It would need someone with a lot of spare time to initially compile it, but then only one or two new entries a week, if that?

[Neverenoughwatches]

20 minutes ago, rjenkinsgb said:

The various individual identification threads can sometimes end up each several pages long. I just do not see how it could work with everyone posting all requests in a single thread.

What could be a useful one (which I thought you may mean, when you started this thread), is a moderator- or advanced-member only sticky "index" type thread with a thumbnail image, calibre type & a link to the relevant full thread, for each identified movement.

That could work as a quick reference that can be browsed through easily for known movements without hours of looking through many old & long threads?

It would need someone with a lot of spare time to initially compile it, but then only one or two new entries a week, if that?

that wasn't exactly the idea i had in mind Rob, not so much a database though that would be extremely useful. This thread would become enormous and endless to troll though. It was more of a quick service.... basic all you need to know question....." this is the plate size and these are the keyless parts, anyone recognise them or fancy 10 mins of looking through your resources to find out the make and calibre for me " that was really the essence of the idea. After that....delete the posts or if at all possible...once the movement has been identified rearrange the original post question in alphabetical order....but i think that could end up being a mammoth task.

If it was made fairly easy to re-arrange  the posts alphabetically, I'd be prepared to do that, it would kick my ocd into overdrive

[tomh207]

14 minutes ago, Neverenoughwatches said:

that wasn't exactly the idea i had in mind Rob, not so much a database though that would be extremely useful. This thread would become enormous and endless to troll though. It was more of a quick service.... basic all you need to know question....." this is the plate size and these are the keyless parts, anyone recognise them or fancy 10 mins of looking through your resources to find out the make and calibre for me " that was really the essence of the idea. After that....delete the posts or if at all possible...once the movement has been identified rearrange the original post question in alphabetical order....but i think that could end up being a mammoth task.

If it was made fairly easy to re-arrange  the posts alphabetically, I'd be prepared to do that, it would kick my ocd into overdrive

I can see a few problems Rich

1. Every question is essentially the same, “anyone know what this movement is?” Albeit phrased differently. 
2. Forum software is designed to operate as a repository of conversations held in chronological order, not alphabetical or any other ordering 

3. Deleting post after identifying the movement would be an administrative burden and also remove potentially useful information 

 

an idea which could be helpful would be to create a pinned post outlining what information, photos etc. that would be useful to have in any request. Write one up mate and submit it to Mark as an idea.

 

Tom

[Neverenoughwatches]

7 minutes ago, tomh207 said:

an idea which could be helpful would be to create a pinned post outlining what information, photos etc. that would be useful to have in any request. Write one up mate and submit it to Mark as an idea.

Can i have that in English Tom , i know it is but i still dont understand . Whats a pinned post ? Hows it created and who pins it ?

Just now, Neverenoughwatches said:

Can i have that in English Tom , i know it is but i still dont understand . Whats a pinned post ? Hows it created and who pins it ?

And do i need to buy my own pins, thumb tacks any good ? I have staples, also panel pins of varying sizes. Tell me go shut up if you want, I'll just ignore you

[tomh207]

18 minutes ago, Neverenoughwatches said:

Can i have that in English Tom , i know it is but i still dont understand . Whats a pinned post ? Hows it created and who pins it ?

And do i need to buy my own pins, thumb tacks any good ? I have staples, also panel pins of varying sizes. Tell me go shut up if you want, I'll just ignore you

You’re in a funny mood today

a topic that is pinned always appears at the top of a forum section and any new posts are automatically added below it. In this case it should be the fist post in this forum giving a guide on what you should include in a request for help in identifying a movement. This would be a “how to” for submitting the request. An admin or moderator can pin a post, I suggested submitting it to Mark for his approval as it’s his site.

sorry I don’t speak English, I am a jock after all

 

Tom

[Neverenoughwatches]

53 minutes ago, tomh207 said:

You’re in a funny mood today

What !.....Just today ?

56 minutes ago, tomh207 said:

You’re in a funny mood today

a topic that is pinned always appears at the top of a forum section and any new posts are automatically added below it. In this case it should be the fist post in this forum giving a guide on what you should include in a request for help in identifying a movement. This would be a “how to” for submitting the request. An admin or moderator can pin a post, I suggested submitting it to Mark for his approval as it’s his site.

sorry I don’t speak English, I am a jock after all

 

Tom

Och aye Tommy thit soonds leek a reite gud idea,"Kirk to engine room make it so Scotty " .