Balance pivot Rolex 1520 mouvement

[Tudor7965]

Hello, i just serviced this Rolex myself and managed to made it do between 0-13sec a day for all positions , however , someone i know told me that for him the balance pivot was veiled, i do not see a problem with the balance pivot , he said it while looking at the opened mouvement, not dissasambled, in the video i put below , do you see any veil with the balance staff, or does it seems right to you?

Cheers

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[RichardHarris123]

Veiled?

[Tudor7965]

14 minutes ago, RichardHarris123 said:

Veiled?

Sorry , i'm not a native speaker, i mean warped, as if the pivots are not turning round , but rather being wobbly

[RichardHarris123]

Hard to tell without seeing it side on but looks good to me. 

[Tudor7965]

30 minutes ago, RichardHarris123 said:

Hard to tell without seeing it side on but looks good to me. 

Thank you , quite rassured, i'm New in watch servicing /restoration, and having managed to regulate it to 270 amp 0 beat error and 0sec a day in main position i was kinda happy and i think with a warped balance pivot , i could not have  managed this kind of regulation 

[JohnR725]

18 minutes ago, Tudor7965 said:

New in watch servicing

Normally a Rolex is not what she would do when you're new to watch repair servicing.

20 minutes ago, Tudor7965 said:

0sec a day in main position i was kinda happy and i think with a warped balance pivot , i could not have  managed this kind of regulation 

If I look at the video it does look like the balance wheel is wobbling. On a watch like Rolex everything should be absolutely perfect if you expected to time absolutely perfectly.

For instance I know somebody who managed to shop that serviced Rolex watches. He had commented that they changed more balance staffs for timing issues than any other reason. So yes it does look like a little bit a wobble but

54 minutes ago, RichardHarris123 said:

Hard to tell without seeing it side

Ideally if we were looking at this problem we should be looking at a side view as opposed to reflection of the light off the balance rim which makes it really hard to tell.

Then the problem with Rolex timing is if you're following specifications there is an entire procedure for doing Rolex timing which unless you have the service manual you're probably not following on the other hand you're happy with the timing and your new to watch repair so probably wouldn't worry about it. As changing a balance staff when you're new to watch repair is not a desirable thing to do.

 

[RichardHarris123]

I agree, if the pivot or balance wheel was warped then the rate should be worse than it is.  

Do you disagree @JohnR725?

[Tudor7965]

1 hour ago, JohnR725 said:

Normally a Rolex is not what she would do when you're new to watch repair servicing.

If I look at the video it does look like the balance wheel is wobbling. On a watch like Rolex everything should be absolutely perfect if you expected to time absolutely perfectly.

For instance I know somebody who managed to shop that serviced Rolex watches. He had commented that they changed more balance staffs for timing issues than any other reason. So yes it does look like a little bit a wobble but

Ideally if we were looking at this problem we should be looking at a side view as opposed to reflection of the light off the balance rim which makes it really hard to tell.

Then the problem with Rolex timing is if you're following specifications there is an entire procedure for doing Rolex timing which unless you have the service manual you're probably not following on the other hand you're happy with the timing and your new to watch repair so probably wouldn't worry about it. As changing a balance staff when you're new to watch repair is not a desirable thing to do.

 

Yeah the lightning can be confusing too, but i didn't want to get the movement out, i'm happy with the rate i got , i just dont want to run in other troubles , exactly for the fact that changing a balance staff is not an easy task, in other words i just dont the watch to break on me as i want to wear it everyday for a while, and i'm not the richest man

 

1 hour ago, JohnR725 said:

Normally a Rolex is not what she would do when you're new to watch repair servicing.

If I look at the video it does look like the balance wheel is wobbling. On a watch like Rolex everything should be absolutely perfect if you expected to time absolutely perfectly.

For instance I know somebody who managed to shop that serviced Rolex watches. He had commented that they changed more balance staffs for timing issues than any other reason. So yes it does look like a little bit a wobble but

Ideally if we were looking at this problem we should be looking at a side view as opposed to reflection of the light off the balance rim which makes it really hard to tell.

Then the problem with Rolex timing is if you're following specifications there is an entire procedure for doing Rolex timing which unless you have the service manual you're probably not following on the other hand you're happy with the timing and your new to watch repair so probably wouldn't worry about it. As changing a balance staff when you're new to watch repair is not a desirable thing to do.

 

I'm not a professional this watch is for my personal use , my concern is more : can i wear the watch as it is ? 

1 hour ago, RichardHarris123 said:

I agree, if the pivot or balance wheel was warped then the rate should be worse than it is.  

Do you disagree @JohnR725?

I post the exact rate

So we have 0 sec a day vertical position

About 10sec a day dial up and down , these numbers don't bother me and i find them pretty good , but i just dont want the watch to let me down mechanically speaking 

[JohnR725]

2 hours ago, Tudor7965 said:

Yeah the lightning can be confusing too, but i didn't want to get the movement out, i'm happy with the rate i got , i just dont want to run in other troubles , exactly for the fact that changing a balance staff is not an easy task, in other words i just dont the watch to break on me as i want to wear it everyday for a while, and i'm not the richest man

 

As you are the customer the only person you have to please is yourself. If you're happy with timing results than you doing just fine.

5 hours ago, Tudor7965 said:

do you see any veil with the balance staff, or does it seems right to you?

4 hours ago, RichardHarris123 said:

if the pivot or balance wheel was warped then the rate should be worse than it is.  

Do you disagree

The original question was related to the balance staff and is there an issue? Somebody asked the questions should we answer the question? Then the rate to understand if there really is a problem we would need a better diagnostics. But based on the quote below everything is just fine.

3 hours ago, Tudor7965 said:

these numbers don't bother me and i find them pretty good , but i just dont want the watch to let me down mechanically speaking 

As I said you are the customer if you're happy then you have a happy customer outstanding. Then the second part of the quote is something different? The timing machine can only show so much not sure what your definition of letting you down would be.

 

[JohnR725]

oh sometimes I have to think about things? Something interesting with the original question and wrong assumptions about the answer

12 hours ago, Tudor7965 said:

Sorry , i'm not a native speaker, i mean warped, as if the pivots are not turning round , but rather being wobbly

your English is fine don't worry about it. I'm using dictation software and it does goofy things so were actually quite tolerant on our English skills on this discussion group for the most part.  usually the problem we would have would be people who don't have a tech sheet and use interesting terminology to refer to parts by names that we've never heard of before.

Then wobbling a balance wheels can be caused by other things like? For instance if somebody replace the balance staff and didn't do things quite right you can distort the arms and you'll get a balance wobble. so it's not just the balance pivots that could cause an issue it could be the balance itself.

10 hours ago, Tudor7965 said:

About 10sec a day dial up and down

I was curious about something and you don't have anything to worry about. The older Rolex specifications are not the same as the newer Rolex specifications.  it looks like the official specifications is anywhere from -1 to +10 seconds. then not quite that simple as specification is the average of five positions which it looks like you're doing so you're within specifications so you should just enjoy your watch.

[Tudor7965]

7 hours ago, JohnR725 said:

 

As you are the customer the only person you have to please is yourself. If you're happy with timing results than you doing just fine.

The original question was related to the balance staff and is there an issue? Somebody asked the questions should we answer the question? Then the rate to understand if there really is a problem we would need a better diagnostics. But based on the quote below everything is just fine.

As I said you are the customer if you're happy then you have a happy customer outstanding. Then the second part of the quote is something different? The timing machine can only show so much not sure what your definition of letting you down would be.

 

I'm happy but when i say letting me down i mean : is the pivot going to break as i'm wearing the watch because i didn't address an issue about it , if you tell me that it's just about timing , then i'm happy with the results, and i'll wear the watch without worrying

5 minutes ago, JohnR725 said:

oh sometimes I have to think about things? Something interesting with the original question and wrong assumptions about the answer

your English is fine don't worry about it. I'm using dictation software and it does goofy things so were actually quite tolerant on our English skills on this discussion group for the most part.  usually the problem we would have would be people who don't have a tech sheet and use interesting terminology to refer to parts by names that we've never heard of before.

Then wobbling a balance wheels can be caused by other things like? For instance if somebody replace the balance staff and didn't do things quite right you can distort the arms and you'll get a balance wobble. so it's not just the balance pivots that could cause an issue it could be the balance itself.

I was curious about something and you don't have anything to worry about. The older Rolex specifications are not the same as the newer Rolex specifications.  it looks like the official specifications is anywhere from -1 to +10 seconds. then not quite that simple as specification is the average of five positions which it looks like you're doing so you're within specifications so you should just enjoy your watch.

I don't want to sound like a crybaby haha , i'm 20 and i love vintage watches but at the same time i'm paranoid when it comes to them , since they lived another life before , i tried wearing more modern pieces and i didn't get the enjoyment i got with vintage pieces, so since i started servicing watch a while ago , i just did it with this Rolex so i could wear it for a while 

, before servicing she was -2min a day , after she came down to -40sec but always the same rate even when i wore it , and then finally i regulated it to Make it do 0-10sec a day , since my friend quoted me on the pivot i was scared as i want to wear the watch everyday, and the first Time i services it it was -40sec a day without rdgulation so maybe he was right , that's why i asked here to see if i should worry about the watch or if even if there is an issue , it will only be timing related 

45 minutes ago, JohnR725 said:

oh sometimes I have to think about things? Something interesting with the original question and wrong assumptions about the answer

your English is fine don't worry about it. I'm using dictation software and it does goofy things so were actually quite tolerant on our English skills on this discussion group for the most part.  usually the problem we would have would be people who don't have a tech sheet and use interesting terminology to refer to parts by names that we've never heard of before.

Then wobbling a balance wheels can be caused by other things like? For instance if somebody replace the balance staff and didn't do things quite right you can distort the arms and you'll get a balance wobble. so it's not just the balance pivots that could cause an issue it could be the balance itself.

I was curious about something and you don't have anything to worry about. The older Rolex specifications are not the same as the newer Rolex specifications.  it looks like the official specifications is anywhere from -1 to +10 seconds. then not quite that simple as specification is the average of five positions which it looks like you're doing so you're within specifications so you should just enjoy your watch.

 

45 minutes ago, JohnR725 said:

oh sometimes I have to think about things? Something interesting with the original question and wrong assumptions about the answer

your English is fine don't worry about it. I'm using dictation software and it does goofy things so were actually quite tolerant on our English skills on this discussion group for the most part.  usually the problem we would have would be people who don't have a tech sheet and use interesting terminology to refer to parts by names that we've never heard of before.

Then wobbling a balance wheels can be caused by other things like? For instance if somebody replace the balance staff and didn't do things quite right you can distort the arms and you'll get a balance wobble. so it's not just the balance pivots that could cause an issue it could be the balance itself.

I was curious about something and you don't have anything to worry about. The older Rolex specifications are not the same as the newer Rolex specifications.  it looks like the official specifications is anywhere from -1 to +10 seconds. then not quite that simple as specification is the average of five positions which it looks like you're doing so you're within specifications so you should just enjoy your watch.

 

[JohnR725]

20 minutes ago, Tudor7965 said:

is the pivot going to break as i'm wearing the watch because i didn't address an issue about it

okay as I commented I would say it's more likely that the balance arm is bent versus the pivots. That's because your pivots are in a shock protected system and they shouldn't be bent. If they were bent more than likely it be caused by somebody not handling their balance correctly. 

well I suppose if you pivot mysteriously breaks then balance complete or replacement of balance staff would be in your future. but when in your future tomorrow years from now never. Personally I just wouldn't worry about it I don't think the pivots are going to fall off.

47 minutes ago, Tudor7965 said:

, before servicing she was -2min a day , after she came down to -40sec but always the same rate even when i wore it , and then finally i regulated it to Make it do 0-10sec a day , since my friend quoted me on the pivot i was scared as i want to wear the watch everyday, and the first Time i services it it was -40sec a day without rdgulation so maybe he was right , that's why i asked here to see if i should worry about the watch or if even if there is an issue , it will only be timing related 

for those who have never seen the watch before here's an interesting link. It's interesting with Rolex watches is how many of them need regulation. so for instance here is somebody servicing the Rolex and incoming of the amplitude totally sucks because the watch needs to be serviced and the timekeeping is definitely a need a regulation.

so I'm guessing the quote above the -2 minutes was because your amplitude probably sucked but you didn't tell us what the amplitude was so we'll just assume that. Then the -40 was because it needed to be regulated.

https://watchguy.co.uk/service-repair-rolex-air-king-5500-calibre-1520/