Tudor 7934 big rose real or fake?

[watchhammer]

I think im looking at fake dial and fake bracelet. Hoping the experts can weigh in.

 

Been enjoying the forum very much, thanks for the time bank of knowledge and great people on here!

[rjenkinsgb]

The movement looks like a legitimate Tudor 1156; those are a bought-in ETA movement rather than a Rolex manufactured one, so not particularly valuable.

https://www.emmywatch.com/db/movement/tudor--1156/

https://welwynwatchparts.co.uk/products/tudor-cal-1156-movement-spares-repairs

 

I can find several variations of the dial layout & have no idea which are originals or year variations - or imitations; sorry.

 

[AndyGSi]

Comparing it with something like this then I agree that it doesn't look quite right.

https://www.blackbough.co.uk/product/tudor-oyster-big-rose-ref-7934-steel-vintage-wristwatch-dated-1959-wxtrbr/

[mikepilk]

I agree with @rjenkinsgb, I can see nothing obviously wrong. There are a range of dials - some like your pic with "T Swiss T". I would be happy to buy it (for the right price )

Edited January 7 by mikepilk

[Nucejoe]

 Lets listen to it's heart beat on timegrapher. 

 The balance of a genuine six positions adjusted watch ,  beats unhealthy if not adjusted after restaffing, so if this is genuine but re-staffed by incompetencent repairman !

                                I WOULDN'T BUY IT.

Rgds

 

 

[oldhippy]

What does the bracelet feel like is it nice and smooth on the edges or does it feel rough. To me I think the movement is correct but it has had a replacement movement holding piece. 

[mikepilk]

17 minutes ago, oldhippy said:

What does the bracelet feel like is it nice and smooth on the edges or does it feel rough. To me I think the movement is correct but it has had a replacement movement holding piece. 

From the pics I've found, the holding ring looks OK - like the pic below

The marking on the case back and bracelet look OK. I don't see anything wrong. 

38 minutes ago, Nucejoe said:

 Lets listen to it's heart beat on timegrapher. 

 The balance of a genuine six positions adjusted watch ,  beats unhealthy if not adjusted after restaffing, so if this is genuine but re-staffed by incompetencent repairman !

It's not a Rolex movement adjusted to 6 positions. Just a modified ETA 1156, with the correct KIF spring.

 

[watchhammer]

3 hours ago, oldhippy said:

What does the bracelet feel like is it nice and smooth on the edges or does it feel rough. To me I think the movement is correct but it has had a replacement movement holding piece. 

The watch is not in my possession, I'm considering purchasing it. The reason I think the bracelet is fake is it has a sticker on the clasp (new) I'll attach a picture-dint know why I didn't initially. 

6 hours ago, rjenkinsgb said:

The movement looks like a legitimate Tudor 1156; those are a bought-in ETA movement rather than a Rolex manufactured one, so not particularly valuable.

https://www.emmywatch.com/db/movement/tudor--1156/

https://welwynwatchparts.co.uk/products/tudor-cal-1156-movement-spares-repairs

 

I can find several variations of the dial layout & have no idea which are originals or year variations - or imitations; sorry.

 

Thank you! I appreciate the help. I'm curious, why are some of these movements stamped with cal. Number under balance wheel and some not? 

[mikepilk]

1 hour ago, watchhammer said:

The watch is not in my possession, I'm considering purchasing it. The reason I think the bracelet is fake is it has a sticker on the clasp (new) I'll attach a picture-dint know why I didn't initially. 

Thank you! I appreciate the help. I'm curious, why are some of these movements stamped with cal. Number under balance wheel and some not? 

 

From the pics, I can't see any real scratching on the case, case-back and bracelet. So they may have been polished and the case-back and bracelet re-brushed It may be some protective tape left on from re-brushing. So it could be genuine. Does it have any numbers stamped on it?

The movement needs a service.

Edited January 7 by mikepilk

[watchhammer]

21 minutes ago, mikepilk said:

From the pics, I can't see any real scratching on the case, case-back and bracelet. So they may have been polished and the case-back and bracelet re-brushed It may be some protective tape left on from re-brushing. So it could be genuine. Does it have any numbers stamped on it?

The movement needs a service.

It's certainly possible, I'm going to assume it's not original for now and be pleasantly surprised if it ends up so if I buy it.

It does need a service. I can't wait to dive in if I end up purchasing it it will be my first kif spring.

Thank you again, this forum is special. 

[watchhammer]

I bought it. Wish me luck.

[oldhippy]

Certainly the bracelet is not right. Temptation got the better of you. Well good luck.  

[Neverenoughwatches]

Something that is wrong is the logo on the bracelet clasp and the crown. Its a Tudor watch not a Rolex watch so it should have the Tudor logo.

[tomh207]

3 minutes ago, Neverenoughwatches said:

Something that is wrong is the logo on the bracelet clasp and the crown. Its a Tudor watch not a Rolex watch so it should have the Tudor logo.

It was normal at one time to have the Rolex crown on both the bracelet and the watch crown on Tudor watches. Also Tudor used the Rolex oyster case for many of their watches.

 

Tom

[Neverenoughwatches]

The bracelet is 100% fake, the logo on the clasp should be very sharp, this one is smoothed out at the edges and identical to the fake Rolex that i picked up in a joblot a few years ago.

7 minutes ago, tomh207 said:

It was normal at one time to have the Rolex crown on both the bracelet and the watch crown on Tudor watches. Also Tudor used the Rolex oyster case for many of their watches.

 

Tom

Just looked at lots of Tudor crowns, nearly all had a Rolex logo, makes absolutely no sense to me at all

[tomh207]

14 minutes ago, Neverenoughwatches said:

The bracelet is 100% fake, the logo on the clasp should be very sharp, this one is smoothed out at the edges and identical to the fake Rolex that i picked up in a joblot a few years ago.

Just looked at lots of Tudor crowns, nearly all had a Rolex logo, makes absolutely no sense to me at all

‘Cos much cheapness at the time, Tudor was the Rolex “value” brand at the time. If you are making cases, bracelets, the crown being part of the case just chuck a standard ETA movement in and call it a day.

Tom

[mikepilk]

36 minutes ago, Neverenoughwatches said:

Something that is wrong is the logo on the bracelet clasp and the crown. Its a Tudor watch not a Rolex watch so it should have the Tudor logo.

Early Tudor's (up until mid 1960s?) the cases, straps, crowns are made by Rolex and stamped with the Rolex crown.

Here is a ladies 1963 Tudor Oyster I recently serviced with Rolex marks on case back, crown and bracelet. 

 

[watchhammer]

5 hours ago, oldhippy said:

Certainly the bracelet is not right. Temptation got the better of you. Well good luck.  

The price was right for the watch with no bracelet. I am excited to service the movement and source the bracelet.