Disney Watch needs a new movement

[Melissalea]

Good morning, all!

 

I have this Disney watch where Eeyore in the water is the seconds hand. I was able to remove the dial easily enough, but the seconds hand is tricky. It is made of a thin plastic material so I don't want to bend or tear it. I have tried lifting it off from the cannon pinion with no success. I am wondering if I should gently pry it off by separating the black plastic it is encased in from the movement itself since the new movement does not have this piece, but since this watch is not mine I want to be careful not to damage it. Any ideas are appreciated very much! If you need more pictures of other angles, just let me know. (the photo I have of the side view still has the dial)

 

Thanks again!

[Neverenoughwatches]

29 minutes ago, Melissalea said:

Good morning, all!

 

I have this Disney watch where Eeyore in the water is the seconds hand. I was able to remove the dial easily enough, but the seconds hand is tricky. It is made of a thin plastic material so I don't want to bend or tear it. I have tried lifting it off from the cannon pinion with no success. I am wondering if I should gently pry it off by separating the black plastic it is encased in from the movement itself since the new movement does not have this piece, but since this watch is not mine I want to be careful not to damage it. Any ideas are appreciated very much! If you need more pictures of other angles, just let me know. (the photo I have of the side view still has the dial)

 

Thanks again!

The disk looks to be fitted under or trapped within the hour wheel.  Be careful of any springs underneath it. Can we see the other side of the movement melissa 

[AndyGSi]

What have you tried to grip the cannon pinion with?

You could try a small crown holder or pin vice is you have one big enough.

[watchweasol]

As requested a side view without the dial .  I take it that eyoreticks round for the seconds, yes. I would suspect it is a friction fit , needs a little more investigation.

[Melissalea]

Thank you, everyone for your responses.

I was also worried, neverenoughwatches, if I might have something come loose after prying it off. 

AndyGSi, I have tried a canon pinion removal tool, albeit not a very good one, and some good tweezers. Another watch guy looked at it before I got it and said he wouldn't mess with it, but it appears like he tried to separate the black plastic from the movement since it is lifted in one spot. 

If it is friction fit, watchweasol, then maybe I should not even mess with it. Yes, eeyore swims around as the seconds hand.  

I worry if I force it too much, it might not go back on. I will just admit defeat for this one. 

Thanks again, everyone. 

[AndyGSi]

If you're just looking at replacing the movement then dismantle the old one from the back and pull it out that way.

[Neverenoughwatches]

The gold coloured hub on top of the seconds disk , does that not lift off as an hour wheel would ?

And what is wrong with the movement melissa ?

[HectorLooi]

I'm really confused by this watch. The minute/hour hands are conventional, while the bridge with Pooh and gang doesn't move, and is actually the dial?

So, how does the second hand pivot power the Eeyore disk? It this a specially customized movement for Disney?

Would a replacement movement be found easily?

[Neverenoughwatches]

5 hours ago, HectorLooi said:

I'm really confused by this watch. The minute/hour hands are conventional, while the bridge with Pooh and gang doesn't move, and is actually the dial?

So, how does the second hand pivot power the Eeyore disk? It this a specially customized movement for Disney?

Would a replacement movement be found easily?

I started to think it had some kind of jump hour mechanism for the disk.

[watchweasol]

It’s probably an indirect drive from the center wheel under the moving disc. Problem is how to remove the disc to find out. Likley designed as a throw away watch not to be dismantled. I would assume rightly or wrongly that the disc is a friction fit but where to get a purchase on it to remove it is puzzling.

[AndyGSi]

Just had another look and difficult to tell but to me it looks like it could be keyed and twisted on.

[Neverenoughwatches]

1 hour ago, AndyGSi said:

Just had another look and difficult to tell but to me it looks like it could be keyed and twisted on.

I thought the hour hand was fitted to the shoulder and the seconds disk moved independently of it, it must have the hour wheel on the backside of the disk. And the center piece is just the cannon pinion. 

[AndyGSi]

Would be nice to see what's what and if it doesn't work then I saw it at as nothing to loose but after finding this a little care maybe justified.

[Melissalea]

https://www.esslinger.com/isa-3-hand-quartz-watch-movement-isa1198-106-small-second-hand-at-12-00-overall-height-5-5mm/

 

Here is the link to the movement. It says the seconds hand is at the 12. Not sure how that would rotate eeyore. 

The seconds hand ticks back and forth. Not sure if the coil is damaged or if someone had done some work to it prior but there is a blemish on it. As far as I could find, they don't make just a coil for that movement. Maybe if I sourced it from eBay, but I haven't done any modifying to quartz movements. Only replaced them. 

 

That gold piece is solid. There is a shadow at the bottom left that makes it look like a space or an indent, but it is not. 

 

AndyGSi, I could dismantle it that way but what if I can't get the seconds hand on the new movement? 

Yes, I looked it up as well and this is why I am being cautious. I would rather admit defeat than empty my pockets

[AndyGSi]

1 hour ago, Melissalea said:

The seconds hand ticks back and forth.

By this do you mean it just stutters and doesn't tick fully?

If that's the case if could just need freeing and lubricating.

Are you sure it's the 1198/106 as there are various versions on the 1198?

https://www.emmywatch.com/db/search/?search=isa+1198&image=&type=movement

Edit

Just spotted this at the bottom of the link above.

The reason you can't get a replacement coil is because it's part of the circuit board.

If you do decide to swap the circuit then you need to be careful as the coil wires are unprotected.

Edited March 23 by AndyGSi

[HectorLooi]

1 hour ago, Melissalea said:

It says the seconds hand is at the 12.

Ahh...ok. Beginning to make sense.

So there is probably a pinion pressed onto the sub seconds pivot that drives a geared wheel on the seconds disk.

I worked on a couple of Zodiac watches with. seconds disks before.

I used 2 very thin dental cement spatulas as levers to remove the date disks. But even with utmost care, the seconds pivot got bent. Luckily it didn't break and I managed to straighten it.

Perhaps a similar technique could be used to remove this disk.

[rjenkinsgb]

There is a cheap current model on Amazon using a rotating disc for seconds - it's probably not the exact same movement but cheap enough to rip apart and see if the disc retaining mechanism is similar?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Tikkers-Football-Rotating-Teacher-Watch/dp/B07S9STJZ6/

 

[AndyGSi]

2 hours ago, rjenkinsgb said:

There is a cheap current model on Amazon using a rotating disc for seconds - it's probably not the exact same movement but cheap enough to rip apart and see if the disc retaining mechanism is similar?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Tikkers-Football-Rotating-Teacher-Watch/dp/B07S9STJZ6/

 

These are just like the old Disney watches with a clear disc on the standard seconds.

[watchweasol]

Hi Melissa. Have you tried spinning it up on a line release tool to check if everything drives ok , best done with battery removed.

[AndyGSi]

3 hours ago, watchweasol said:

Hi Melissa. Have you tried spinning it up on a line release tool to check if everything drives ok , best done with battery removed.

Before doing this be sure to add a drop of IPA to the rear pivots to try and free any congealed oil.

[AndyGSi]

Just trying to sort out what versions on some ISA 1198 movements I've got an found this on Cousins.